And no, stop the bullshit. The Raiders aren't taking a QB next year because they've found their QB to build around. We didn't take a QB because that fucking idiot Idzik couldn't admit he made a mistake in drafting Geno and had he drafted a QB it would have been a clear admission of his incompetence. He waited to give that 19 minute rambling monologue to do that. Fuck you John Idzik. _
It's fair game. If your argument is that Carr was better in 2014. Then I can point out that Geno had the better game in their head to head matchup. I'm not crowing about it or hyping it up, I'm just saying. You can't have your cake and eat it too in this argument. A second year player and a rookie being close isn't farfetched and it won't be the last time it'll ever happen. Can Geno build on it? Maybe. I like Geno but I've been honest about his play. If Bridgewater were in this class I'd be 100% on board with drafting him. If Luck/RG III, Tannehill, were in this draft i'd hope we draft one of those guys because I was high on them pre draft. I'm not sold on Mariota or Winston. It has nothing to do with Geno.
It was fair to give Geno another year. If you have a young QB that you believe in you develop that qb. They obviously believed in him.
Wow. You've made stupid, illogical and nonsensical posts in the past so I guess I should expect a response like this. I can continue to explain why you are wrong, I just can't understand it for you too. _
No they didn't believe in it. An incompetent soon to be fired GM was covering his tracks. I get it you love Geno. Geezuz. _
I counter stupid with stupid. Your argument is that you can't compare a rookie to a 2nd year player. Yet you throw out the stuff that suits your argument then when that is countered you fall back to the rookie/sophomore argument. And I know for a fact that had Carr outplayed Geno that day you'd use it in your argument against Geno. If they don't believe in Geno they draft a qb at 18.
You still have no idea what you are talking about. Starting with your idiotic 10 year player comment. Honestly? The dumbest part of your argument. But keep repeating it. So irrelevant. Teddy as a rookie far outplayed Geno as a second year player in the Jets-Vikings game. Have I ever ONCE brought it up? Until you forced me to? No. Because individual games against the other teams defense is again IRRELEVANT. But keep repeating it. Again so naive. No one ever believed in Geno but (i) Idzik forced Rex to play him and (ii) Idzik needed to cover his ass and not admit his mistake by drafting Geno in the first place so he COULDN'T draft a QB in the first round. And both got fired because of those fuck ups. You keep defending your boy like you've been doing for 2 years. We all see through it. _
I get your point. Stop with the douche remarks I'm not coming at you that way so that bring that to me. We can have the discussion without it. I brought up the Raider game to say that if you can think that it shouldn't be close because one is a rookie and the other is a 2nd year player is as illogical as using a head to head matchup. Granted you'd probably bring it up in passing had Carr clearly outplayed Geno that day. Btw Teddy didn't outplay Geno that day it was close. If they didn't believe in Geno they draft a qb at 18. He was/is a young qb that showed some promise so giving him a second year made sense. Geno was the best qb on the roster so the right guy started from day 1.
IMO the biggest mistake we made last year. The fact that he was the best option was the beginning of the end for Idzik and Ryan.
Who would've thought Vick would regress the way he did. Plus they were banking on Geno taking a big step up. He made modest improvement but he wasn't where they needed him to be.
Ftr I consider 1985 to be a somewhat valuable poster here. He's at least articulate, even if he's more often wrong than right. But I agree it is annoying that he denies being a Smith Fan. He is as consistent a defender of Smith as anyone here. He's just being a contrarian to deny the obvious.
Lol I never said I didn't like Geno. But you can't say I never call it as I see it with Smith either.
you're right. Vick was brought in as a backup/insurance in case Smith implodes. Once Geno did implode (first Bills game) Vick was inserted in the lineup.
I'm sorry, I'm trying to have a discussion about it but you're either being intentionally obtuse or extremely naive. Again, this is completely illogical. When you're comparing--FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON--a rookie and a second year player who has already played a full 16 game season, in a discussion who had a better YEAR (which is what the discussion was about), it shouldn't even BE a close comparison. The fact that--for the SEASON--Carr as a rookie outplayed Geno as a second year player should point out how big a disparity that is. Second year Geno on a better team should have outplayed rookie Carr FOR THE SEASON by at least a little bit--but he didn't--Carr out played Geno. That makes it even worse. Bringing up a single head-to-head game when comparing how the players played over a SEASON is moronic. And because I'm not a moron I wouldn't bring it up. But considering Geno was AT home playing in his SEVENTEENTH start on a BETTER team against a rookie on a WORSE team making his first start after missing most of the preseason against a Rex Ryan defense, Geno SHOULD have outplayed him. But he DIDN'T! Were you even there? Did you watch the game? Geno was BRUTAL that day. A bad pick on the Jets side of the field. A fumble in the red zone. Another fumble while doing his patented backtracking to take us out of FG range. Another backtracking fumble to take us out of range of another FG. His one TD pass looked like something he did all too often at WVU--the shovel pass. Carr was the better QB on the field that day and he had no talent around him. His second TD pass was gorgeous. Geez, stop looking at stat sheets and watch the games. The running game won that game for us--not Geno. But again, it's an illogical comparison head-to-head when talking about a season comparison. A season in when Carr did NOT get benched for throwing up a 0.0 after 3 crap games. Carr was the better player last year period--not even taking into account one was a rookie on a worse team. No, it was not close. Teddy outplayed him by a lot. Go watch the game OR read the stats. Geno's INT was a pick 6. On the very FIRST play of the game. Teddy's INT was a hail mary at the end of a half. And Teddy did something in OT that Geno doesn't do--he recognized the all out blitz and changed the play at the line to thrwo the pass that led to the long game winning TD. He's a smart player who can do that. You keep repeating that and it sounds so naive. Idzik made a mistake in drafting Geno and he could not admit it by picking a superior player at QB the following year. Had Idzik taken Teddy or Carr we'd be in a WHOLE different situation right now. But you cling to that mirage of his last 4 games of 2013. The greatest mediocre games in the history of the NFL. He didn't show promise, he was the worst QB in the NFL. Look, you're a Geno apologist, that's okay. Don't try to shovel bullshit at me. It doesn't work. I see you for what you've been over the past 2 years. _
When he's not blindly defending Geno I'd almost concur. Except some of his stupidity in the BS forum over the summer. But yeah, on the whole not bad. But his Geno affinity is so apparent that denying it makes him looks silly. _
Nope. And he was the better player and should have started. Which flies in the face of your man Idzik's bullshit mantra about competition. Vick should have started week 1. The competition was a farce. _
the competition mantra was a farce at QB big time, at safety where Pryor was guaranteed his spot despite not being ready and looking worse than his replacement, at guard- with winters, at TE to a degree with Cumberland/Amaro... probably some others, like CB or OLB.. but how much of that is Idzik's fault vs. Rex's fault. Idzik might pick up the groceries but Rex prepared the meals. Both did a piss poor job last year
In a perfect world Geno "should've outplayed Carr" for the season. But if you believe (and you more than likely do) that Carr will build on his 2014 season and improve. Then is it farfetch to believe that Geno can't take another step up in 2015? I don't believe that Geno and Carr being close in play in '14 should be an indictment on Geno. I watched the game on tv. Geno completed 82% of his passes. He completed at one point 12 straight passes. He looked poised for the most part and made plays. Geno made some mistakes but he for the most part played well. I'm not bringing up the game to compare how they played for the season. That wasn't the point. I recall plenty of shaky games and inconsistent play from Carr last year. The int was a bad play but after that Geno stepped up and played one of his best games of the season. He made a ton of good plays and including putting the team in field goal range to tie the score late in the 4th. When you invest a high second round pick in a qb and you believe in that qb you give him a chance and you develop that qb. They weren't wrong for giving Geno a shot in year 2. He had shown flashes in a few games in 2013 and looked like he was turning the corner playing well towards the end of the season. I'm not a Geno apologist. An apologist would be making excuses for his poor play. I've never done that. When he plays like shit I call it as I see it. When he plays well I give him credit. And what exactly have I been?
