This assertions of yours is misleading. Prior QB history does help to predict future performance, though obviously predictability and reliability going forward is mitigated by extenuating circumstances, some of which are harder and easier to control in calculation. But given his low YPA, the future isn't necessarily bright for Derek Carr. That's just a fact based on statistics. You have to look deeper than TDs and INTs. Carr did not necessarily play better than Geno this season --he just had more help on the offensive side of the ball. That's why his QB rating is deservedly lower.
1. Trying to use statistical analysis to make predictive conclusions is inherently moronic when dealing with individual sports accomplishments. Do you realize no freshman had EVER won the Heisman Trophy in the history of the Heiaman Trophy. Until a freshman won it. And then another freshman won it. See how how predictive analysis works? Or doesn't work? 2. A less than ONE point difference in QB rating is almost negligible so I look at production that matters. Touchdowns (points is kind of important in the NFL), INTs (turnovers which is kind of important in the NFL) and not getting benched as a second year player for throwing up a 0.0 after 3 horribad games. If you think Geno as a second year player on a better team played better than Carr a rookie in a worse team, then, quite frankly sir, you have no idea what you are talking about. Want to know what? The Raiders are not looking to draft a QB this year. The Jets are looking to draft a QB this year. You know why? Because Carr as a rookie was BETTER than Geno as a second year QB. Watch more football and put down your Fantasy stats if you want to have a real discussion. _
This alone tells U about our GeNO: http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr The only one lower than him was Bortles and he was a rook.
This. Still, Carr as a rookie was CLEARLY better than Geno as a second year player. Had we drafted Carr or better yet Teddy, we'd be looking at Cooper or Gregory or Ray or Scherff or Williams. Imagine being a Jet fan with that scenario. Fuck you John Idzik you fucking POS. _
Closer comparing a rookie on a worse team to a second year player on a better team. A lot further than you'd probably like to admit. _
Dude, I understand you love Geno but please read the thread and get a clue about the context of what I was discussing. I'm not comparing Geno to a 10th yr player or an 5th year player or even a 3rd year player. I'm comparing Geno, a second year player to Derek Carr, a rookie. How am I talking as if Geno is a 10 year vet? _
I definitely think Rex hindered/squandered Geno's development and whatever talent and potential he has, I'm just not certain how much football IQ he has. If anyone can develop Geno, it's probably Gailey. I don't want to just trust that will happen however. I want to sign Matt Moore, Shaun Hill or Ryan Fitzpatrick if he is cut and then let Geno compete for the starting job.
I read the thread. You are basically changing the narrative based on who you're propping up or down. And 2nd year players and rookies can be compared it the level of skill/play is close. Which at this moment in time is the case with Geno and Carr. And I don't love Geno btw.
Hold on a minute--the narrative has changed 2 dozen times in this thread but many different posters. But I was having a discreet conversation with 2 posters when I was comparing Carr and Geno because I was lamenting not drafting Carr due to Idzik's need to cover his ass by not admitting he made a mistake in drafting Geno. Someone made a snarky comment that Carr wasn't any good and that Geno was better which is hogwash. My point --on this discreet issue alone--was that Carr had a better ROOKIE year than Geno had in his SECOND year. I didn't even need to talk about rookie year to rookie year. What are you not understanding? _
You'd be wrong about that, but that's ok. I'm not sure how many games of Carr you watched but I saw them all and he was clearly better than Geno. The "numbers" don't tell the whole story even if Carr had the better "numbers". And this again was as a ROOKIE on a worse team. Let me ask you--the Raiders have a higher pick than us. If Carr was worse than Geno and he was ALSO just a measly 2nd round pick, why are the Raiders not going to take a QB yet we are? _
Would have wanted Carr above all the other QBs taken. He will be better than Geno and Teddy(whom I don't think is good, either)
I've been a Jet fan since the Titan days as well. Went to the first game in the old Polo Grounds. Was rooting for GeNO to succeed and was OK with us drafting him. But after seeing crappy game over and over and the ever repeating mistakes I soured on him. To me he sucks. He was given more than enough chances. Don't complain about resident GM's as you sound like one as well..
Geno played better than Carr in the opener. Carr had his shaky moments and outright bad games. But he looked promising in some moments and he some good games as well. Basically the typical up and down rookie season. I never said Carr was worse than Geno I said they were close in terms of their QB play in 2014. They won't take a qb for the same reason we didn't take one last year. And it's not set in stone that we'd even draft a qb in round 1.
Holy fuck. So a second year player after having started 16 games his first year and AT HOME played "better" than a rookie starting his FIRST NFL game against a Rex Ryan defense after missing most of the preseason to injury and you think that is evidence of anything? That Carr threw 2 TDs and zero INTs and Geno only threw 1 TD and 1 INT and fumbled TWICE and you think that's something to crow about? That a rookie on a worse team and a second year player on a better team were "close" in terms of there QB play isn't instructive to you how bad our QB situation is? We're not even TALKING about comparing their rookie seasons which would be laughable. That a rookie QB on a worse team didn't get benched for throwing up a 0.0 after shitting the bed for 3 games doesn't indicate how off you are in your assessment of the two players? Dude, you're one of the biggest Geno apologists and homers on the board, just own it and stop trying to snow me. If you're going to continue to follow me around. And all I hear when you say "it's not set in stone that we're even drafting a QB in round 1 this year" is "oh please oh please oh please give Geno one more chance, please don't draft someone that will make him superfluous next year". _
