Reasonable Expectations for 2015

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  1. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    There fixed it for you.

    The only question with the young talent at these four positions is if their mothers had any children that lived.
     
  2. DonnieBaseball23

    DonnieBaseball23 Active Member

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    I think the 7-9 to 9-7 range is a fair expectation. Let's see how we do in FA before we set it in stone
     
  3. NCJetsfan

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    Of course things can go wrong. In one sense, it would be unlike the Jets if they don't. For once, I have some real hope, however. It will be interesting for sure.

    That said, I disagree with your assessment. I'm not gonna count RFAs because I don't think the Jets will sign anyone for which they will have to give up a draft pick.

    The only position where I think the Jets will be forced to sign an older FA is at QB. Matt Moore is 30. Shaun Hill is 35. I'm not sure about Fitzpatrick but think he must be around 30.

    According to spotrac.com, there are 25 UFA OGs.
    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/guard/

    The Jets could easily sign an older OG as a stopgap for a year or two while some of their younger players develop or to give them time to draft a better OG. But let's say they want to go with someone younger. 11 of those 25 OGs are 30 or older. 7 of them are 27 or older. One of those is Ducasse, so we won't count him. Two of those are 28 so we'll omit them. That leaves 11 OGs who are 27 and younger. Among those 11 are Orlando Franklin (27) starting OL of the Broncos, Mike Iupati (27) a starting OG on the Niners, James Carpenter (25) starting LG for the Seahawks, Clint Boling (25) starting LG for the Bengals, Gabe Carimi (26) of the Falcons, Jah Reid (26) and Will Rackley (25) of the Ravens, Steve Schilling (26) of the Seahawks, Joe Reitz (27) of Indianapolis, Jeff Linkenbach of KC, and Chris Scott (27) of the Panthers. Only Iupati is currently making over $4 million per year. I'm sure that not all of those guys are starters, but probably most are better than anyone the Jets currently have at OG. The Jets could quite possibly sign either Franklin, Carpenter or Boling for $3-$5million per year.

    There are 47 UFA CBs. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/
    Most of them are 27 and younger. Cro is 30. If the Jets have interest in Tramon Williams, he is 31. Kareem Jackson is 26. Brandon Flowers is 28. Chris Culliver is 26. Byron Maxwell is 26. Buster Skrine is 25.

    At FS, it's harder to tell because all the safeties are mixed, I don't follow every team, and don't have time to research every player. Of those that I know are FSs, the better ones are Louis Delmas (27), Devin McCourty (27), Rahim Moore (24), Chris Conte (26). The overwhelming majority are in the 25-27 range.

    At TE, there are 28 UFAs. Only 9 are 29 or older. Charles Clay (27), Jermaine Gresham (26), Julius Thomas (26), Jordan Cameron (26), Ed Dixon (27), and Robert Housler (26) are guys the Jets could consider. One of the UFAs is only 23 (Demetrius Harris of KC) and one is 24 (Brian Leonhardt of Oakland).

    I don't have time to do the WRs, OLBs and ILBs, but taking a quick, cursory look, most of those groups are in the 25-27 range as well. Players the Jets could have interest in at those positions are: ILB - Brandon Spikes (27), Rolando McClain (25), Jamari Lattimore (26); OLB - Jason Worilds (26), Pernell McPhee (26), Sam Acho (26), Brooks Reed (27); WR - Jeremy Maclin (26), DemaryiusThomas (27), Randall Cobb (24), Denarius Moore (26), Torrey Smith (26), Jarrett Boykin (25), and Jermaine Kearse (24).

    Seriously, where are all those older FAs you said the team could be forced to sign?

    I will say that if this FO and CS proves to be duds, then that is definitely it for me. I've seen and had enough. If these guys screw it up, then the Jets ARE jinxed or Joe Willie Namath did sell his soul to win that Super Bowl and the Jets will never win a SB again.
     
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  4. Jets1035

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    We are about 2 to 4 years away from a team that can compete for a playoff spot. Being the last 4 years of the draft were lean to say it nicely. Our offensive line needs at least 2 pieces. The whole secondary needs a rebuild.
    Oh and by the way, we have an expansion team grade QB with no other viable options on the roster.
    I think if we go 6-10 to 8-8 that would be a miracle. We are in a transition period, going to take time to right the sunken ship that Idzik,Ryan, and Tennenbaum left for us
     
  5. Dierking

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    I reasonably expect nyjunc will post monstrously ignorant things about Joe Namath, Kenny O'Brien and Mark Sanchez.
     
  6. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    I don't think that's true. I think Oday Aboushi could be a good LG, we just don't know if he'll do that yet. At CB we have Milliner, Williams, McDougle and Walls and no idea if any of those guys are as good as the flashes they've shown. At ROLB we've got Coples and while I don't think he's a LB I do think he's talented. The point is that at least half of those guys are likely to not pan out and so we've effectively got at least 2 non-veteran holes to fill alongside the vet dropouts to come.
     
  7. Br4d

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    It's beyond amazing that he thinks Sanchez was a better QB than Namath based on his posts.
     
  8. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    it's beyond amazing that an adult lacks basic reading comprehension to think that.
     
  9. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Ignorant? or reality?

    the facts are Namath was overrated
    the facts are O'Brien was overrated
    the facts are Sanchez is underrated

    does this mean Joe sucked and Sanchez is great? only to those that lack basic intelligence. You are better than that though.

    It is beyond comical for Jet fans to pretend that O'Brien was really good when Jet fans as a fanbase HATED Ken O'Brien by the late 80s- HATED him. wanted him gone, wanted nothing to do w/ him and now we are going to pretend like he was the greatest. The man never helped us win a single playoff game and some folks love him and bash a guy that helped us get close than we have been since SB III.

    I deal in reality, sometimes that bothers people but oh well.
     
  10. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Hey, I just posted facts based on the reality of what you have consistently posted in the past. Sometimes that bothers you, but oh well.

    I don't remember any true Jet fan who was happy with Boomer as an alleged upgrade over Kenny. No Kenny hate as I recall. Maybe a little Kenny angst, sure. I like Sanchez, by the way. He just isn't very good.
     
  11. Big Blocker

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    Ftr I think we have seen enough about Walls to know he's not going to make it as a starting Cb. Maybe a backup. It's Christmas in February.
     
  12. BrowningNagle

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    boy that didn't take long for your prediction to come true :D
     
  13. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Jet fans were very excited about Boomer and getting rid of Kenny which they wanted to do for years. Over time people forget but I don't. I was in that Stadium watching him get booed almost on a weekly basis but now 20 years later we'll try to pretend he was beloved and a great QB for us.

    The reality is he had his moments, got off to a great start his first year and a half as primary starter('85-'86)but it was pretty much downhill from there.

    I like Ken, I appreciate all players to put on that uniform but I won't sit back and watch people lie about players.
     
  14. sackexchange

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    As far as record....no idea. What I am envisioning and hoping for is a team that's better prepared every week with more well rounded talent at key positions like CB and WR. I don't know if this will translate into a lot more wins but I'm hoping that the Jets will be somewhere on the level of the 2014 Bills. Not a great team just yet but a team that's definitely capable of competing with any team in the league.

    If we can get even decent play consistently from the QB position, that should easily account for an extra 4+ wins.
     
  15. Dierking

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    fair enough, I certainly wasn't at the stadium at all during the time frame, I could see the booing.
     
  16. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I was a huge Kenny fan, believe me they booed all the time and I defended him as a kid. I still love Kenny but I can talk about him realistically just as I do w/ Mark. People think that I think Mark is great b/c I defend him all the time from people saying he sucks. I know he is a mid of the pack QB, never once have I called him great but everyone has their perceptions on what I write.
     
  17. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    What do you perceive to be the common denominator in these exchanges, just asking?
     
  18. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I know what it is, people don't actually read what I post. They will see another person misinterpret what I post and it rolls downhill. It's like the old telephone game.

    for example:

    I say Peyton Manning is overrated and give my reasons why, some people perceive this as me saying Peyton is not great. That's not true, I have always said he's an all time great. I just have him lower on my rank of all time greats than most.

    My Mark Sanchez arguments aren't to say he is great or ever will be but when people say he sucks that's just not true and I will argue he is a decent QB. People see that and think I must be saying he's great. I had someone in another thread tell me today I said Mark Sanchez was better than Aaron Rodgers which is obviously something I have never said.
     
  19. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    No, you are not lying.

    You are just delusional and refuse to admit it whenever you are proven wrong.
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    if someone could prove me wrong I'd admit it but pretending Ken was great and this beloved player is called lying.
     

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