"The Slant" - Worst NFL play call of all time?

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Is "The Slant" the worst NFL play call of all time?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. SteveGrogan

    SteveGrogan Well-Known Member

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    Yeah a lot of people complain but I really like the guy, especially after those quotes. He's one of the leaders of that locker room also - and he's got a big contract coming up that sort of thing helps establish him as a leader by setting an example.
     
  2. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    The Seahawks are nothing without beastmode,They wouldn't be where they are without him
     
  3. Charlie Kelly

    Charlie Kelly Well-Known Member

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    Yeah and he made those kinds of mistakes yesterday. If the Seahawks run the ball up the middle twice with Lynch I wonder if he isn't mentioned as the biggest Super Bowl choker in history.

    Now he's somehow being called one of the greatest ever after almost throwing the biggest game of his career, and fluking into a win
     
  4. 1968jetsfan

    1968jetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I can understand passing there, I wouldn't have done it but I can understand it. BUT the slant was the worst pattern to call there? Why? All the defense was bunched in the middle expecting Beast mode, as soon as they saw the drop back they dropped back...where do they drop back to? The middle where the slant is going. If you're going to pass there you call a roll out option pass to the corner. Two ways to score, either pass to the corner or Wilson takes it in. Worst case scenario he throws the ball out of bounds. Just a horrible play call.
     
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  5. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    Thing is, it didn't happen that way. There was actually a big gaping hole in the middle of the field and Lockette was wide open.


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  6. Charlie Kelly

    Charlie Kelly Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, the explanation from Carroll showed how completely confused he was about the play, they had close to nickel personnel on the field and Pete goes shotgun with Beast Mode in a blocking/flat receiver role and receivers confused about their assignments, it was one of the biggest clusterfuck plays I have ever seen and it happened in the most important play of the game. If anything, somebody with a clue should have called a timeout.

    I guess it doesn't help that Saint Russell was tragically late with the throw.
     
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    mute Well-Known Member

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    Looking at that picture a fade to the right would of been nice. But you're right, it was open.

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  8. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure I'll get in trouble for this, but here's where I have to give it to Belichick. From what I read, Seattle has run this formation/play something like a whopping 4 times this year. Still, according to Butler, they practiced against this play with the Scout team the D knew what the play would be when Seattle lined up in that formation. Butler completely sold out and jumped the slant route while Browner jammed Kearse. If Seattle had added a wrinkle to the play and changed the route from a slant to an out route, Butler would have been way out of position.
     
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  9. Charlie Kelly

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    They didn't need a wrinkle if Wilson hits Lockette early where he is in your screencap, that's the benefit of a pick play, you give the receiver time to get YAC. Saint Russ threw the ball late and got his pocket picked. The problem with the call is that he isn't a quick passer. Bad call.
     
  10. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, after finally watching the highlight I realized the call was stupid considering the situation but a good pass is a TD. You don't throw it into space there leading the receiver, and giving the DB space that is equally his to jump into. That has to be a throw to the body that for the DB to make a play on he has to go through the receiver. Incompletion or interference.

    Bad call but that loss is 100% on Wilson for that throw.
     
  11. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    If Russell gets the ball out a little faster that's a td
     
  12. Unhappyjetsfan

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    Clearly it wasn't "wide open" because Wilson hit him in stride and the defensive back was standing there and caught the ball.
     
  13. Unhappyjetsfan

    Unhappyjetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Don't blame Wilson because his dumbass coach made the worst playcall in the history of the game. The pass was well thrown; the problem is the freaking defensive back obviously knew what the play was because he was standing in the middle of the route. That's on the coaching staff, too.
     
  14. Demosthenes9

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    Kind of hard to say. They didn't expect Butler to make it to the spot as quickly as he did. Had he take a 1/2 second or maybe even 1/4 more to reach the spot, either through indecision or being caught up in the pick, then the pass would have been just fine and Seattle would have scored a TD. If Wilson knew that Butler was going to be there, then he should have either thrown it sooner or put it in Lockette's gut instead of slightly out in front of him. Some of it falls on Lockette as well. He's 6'2"




    Maybe you and I have a different understanding of what "wide open" is. Lockette is at the 2 yard line and Butler is 2 yards deep in the end zone. That's 4 yards, or 12 feet away. Even when receivers are "wide open" timing of the pass and ball placement are important. If Wilson throws the ball 1/2 or 1/4 second sooner, it would have been a completion and probably a TD. If he had thrown the ball 6 inches to the right, Butler wouldn't have intercepted it. At worst, it would have been incomplete.
     
  15. pclfan

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    I also kind of agree with Bevell that Lockette could have done more even OPI. He should have mauled the guy. But you're right. It was a matter of inches.
     
  16. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    You can't deny that if the ball placement was more to Wilson's right, that was either a TD or drop. Ball placement is what caused the INT, no matter how bad the play call was.
     
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  17. JetBlue

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    Not true. A throw to the body is either a TD or an incompletion. The call was unnecessary but the play was there. Butler may have read the play but wouldn't have been able to intercept the pass with a better throw. You don't lead the receiver on that play and give any defensive player the opportunity to beat him to the space. That's got to be a throw that you get the ball to the receiver and let him take it in.
     
  18. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    As they say, put the ball in a place where only your guy can get it.
     
  19. WhySoSerious488

    WhySoSerious488 Well-Known Member

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    Blaming Wilson is a joke. The throw was fine. Brady was all over the place on his completions yesterday (throwing behind Vereen, over Edelman, low, into outstretched arms, etc) yet is being praised as the GOAT. Wilson was off by a few inches from being perfectly on target and he is getting ripped? LOL. The pass pattern is high risk and Lockette is probably the #358 out of 360 NFL WRs. The guy would not make most practice squads. A better player handles that pass easily and doesn't get muscled out of the way. Credit to Butler for a nice play too. Sometimes as a QB you make the right read, make the right throw, but the defender just makes a better play.

    Defending the playcall, as those who want to blame Wilson are doing, is just asinine though. It was the wrong call in that situation and doesn't take advantage of Wilson's strengths (even assuming you do want to pass there). It's a coaching loss, plain and simple. All Wilson did all day was make big play downfield after big play downfield, throwing to guys who either weren't on the roster earlier in the year and/or who were undrafted.
     
  20. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    No one is saying that the call was good. It was a horrific call. However, if the ball placement was perfect, there's no way it could have been intercepted.
     

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