ESPN Stats & Info@ESPNStatsInfo 12m12 minutes ago Tom Brady threw 2 TD passes in the 4th quarter last night. The Seahawks had allowed 1 4th-quarter Pass TD TOTAL in their previous 10 games. ESPN Stats & Info@ESPNStatsInfo · 2h2 hours ago Last night was the 5th game in Super Bowl history in which a QB attempted 50+ passes. Tom Brady became the first one to win when doing so. ESPN Stats & Info@ESPNStatsInfo · 4h4 hours ago Tom Brady is the 1st QB to throw a TD pass to 4 different players in a Super Bowl ESPN Stats & Info@ESPNStatsInfo · 18h18 hours ago Seahawks are 18-0 when leading by at least 10 points at the end of the 3rd quarter over the last 3 seasons ESPN Stats & Info@ESPNStatsInfo · 17h17 hours ago Patriots rally from 10-point deficit to win Super Bowl, match biggest comeback in Super Bowl history
FTR, I would place Roethlisberger ahead of Manning and Brees. Without a dome, in poor weather, the latter were beatable. So my rankings, based on winning QBs, not overall stats, in recent history would be: Brady Rodgers Ben Manning Brees Rogers still has a lot of career left though. My only knock to Ben would be that he always had a strong defense and great running backs. The other QBs never consistently had both or either.
Not knocking Rodgers but yes they were capable when they lost to SF both times and when they lost to NYG and Sea. don't believe rankings. BB has been a failure w/o Brady and Manning's D's have allowed less PPG in playoff games than Brady's overrated D's.
we have actually had a lot of success, not SB success but we have had a bunch of contenders. I agree w/ you. I would have Ben ahead of Peyton.
BB wasn't a failure yesterday. He had a great gameplan against Seattle's D that moved the chains all day. Do you honestly think that Brady is the only NFL QB who could have executed a gameplan of throwing underneath to wide open WRs and RBs all day? Seattle got outcoached in that game. And on the Pats scoring drives they generated no pass rush. That was the difference.
See, I could argue that you are undervaluing Peyton, but no need. I agree those are the Top 5 QB's of the last 10+ years. The order is up to opinion.
Yeah, it was all gameplan. Brady did nothing. why don't other teams employ a similar gameplan? Manning hit a million short passes last year in the SB, why did he only put up 8 pts in garbage time?
They are all very close after Brady and Rodgers but I feel strongly that a "GOAT" QB should be able to win in all weather conditions. Can't get much worse weather than what Brady, Rodgers and Ben experience year in and year out.
When those other teams can employ Belicheck as head coach and fail to implement successful gameplans because their QBs are incapable of doing it, then we can re-visit this conversation. Sorry. Pats have the greatest tactician of all-time as head coach. If you could get over your Brady man-crush for even a moment, surely you would see this.
So wait, if Seattle doesn't blow it is Brady still No. 1 or only because Seattle blew it? Curious. Saying Brady has less talent is a joke. They have the perfect talent for what they run. Gronk is one of the top 2 or 3 TE's in NFL, no doubt, but Edelman and Amendola are mismatches for basically anyone (especially when they push off), and Vereen is an extremely tough matchup out of the backfield. For what NE does, they have the perfect talent. They use their receivers extremely well. Remember, Brady had elite talent and didn't win it all. LY, Seattle's defense was better than it was this year. They lost a few very talented players and they're secondary was also extremely beat up going into the SB and lost a key player early in the game last night. So, not apples to apples. And, no Brady is not better than Montana. But like you said, everyone has their opinions. The one interesting point that you brought up is the one regarding Belichick leaving. Would Brady be a Jet? Possibly. Would it have been a much better 15 year run. Possibly. Belichick is a scum trash for a human being, but is one of the greatest coaches of all-time. That's who I would have hoped we could have had.
the greatest tactician who was a complete failure w/o Tom Brady. it's comical, whenever Manning wins it's all b/c of him, whenever he loses it's the fault of everyone else. whenever Brady wins it's b/c of BB and D, when he loses it's his fault. amazing how that works out when it's much closer to the opposite being true. if BB had a track record of success as a HC I'd agree, he doesn't. BB is still a HC today b/c of Tom Brady and the Pats win every year mostly b/c of Brady.
Yes, putting up 28 on that D and bringing his team back from 14 down is enough to bump him up for me. Brady has Gronk who has rarely been healthy. Grink is only guy who would play on Denver or those old Indy teams. Seattle's D was playing great entering SB, they faced a much weaker team than last year but that weaker team put up 28 on them while the other guy could only muster 8 in garbage time. BB was a failure pre Brady as a HC, if BB and Brady were here we'd have been a dynasty.
11-5 with Matt Cassel is not a "complete failure." It's a comparable season to the ones he has gotten with Brady at the helm. Who cares what Belicheck did in his first stint as head coach? He improved greatly over the years. Brady is an all-time great, but he isn't carrying Belicheck, that notion is just laughable. Seriously, what kind of "Jet fan" would take Brady worship to this level? Be embarrassed for yourself dude, to canonize the Jets bitter rival to this extent is just weird.
it's all on his arm now. If they keep leaning on Bell and Brown and get some corners and a few linebackers....they'll get back towards the dance
they were 16-0 the year before against a MUCH tougher schedule. a 1 win team from 2007 won 11 games that year and the div title. Brady is not carrying BB but he rescued BB's HC career. BB has developed into a great HC, a chance he never gets w/o Brady and having Brady makes his job MUCH easier.
Some of Brady's contemporaries have not played for "great" head coaches. It's an advantage Brady has over them. How much of an advantage is too subjective to measure, but in big playoff games which are often decided by one score or less, it could mean the difference between 6 SB appearances v. 3 SB appearances. Don't forget that Brady threw 3 INTs in 2 out of his 6 winning conference championship game appearances. You can act like coaching doesn't matter, but when your QB tosses 3 picks and you still win a huge game, I'm going to give the coach some credit. But that's just me. If Brady were "clearly" better than Peyton and Rodgers, it would be reflected in his regular season performance because that is the significantly larger sample size. Yet he has not distanced himself there and pretty clearly trails both guys.
Peyton has a top HC in Dungy and a really good one in Fox, Ben had Cowher and now has a good one, Rodgers has a top HC as does Brees. who said coaching doesn't matter? who said Brady did it all by himself? he's reason #1 but it takes much more than just the QB but al things equal the team w/ the better QB play is going to win. Brees/Rodgers are really good but individual #s don't impress me. help your team win the biggest games, NE is constantly a SB contender mainly b/c of Brady.
