Last time we had a rookie leader we were 20 minutes from the super bowl. twice. But now that's a reason for low expectations? gtfo
Atleast the Jets always keep the house dirty enough so you know it will need another cleaning in about three years
Idzik was brought in to rebuild the Jets. He had been around 3 different organizations serving as a scout/personnel guy for 2 of those 3 teams. And a cap/finance guy at the other stop. These were teams that eventually played in Super Bowls and some of them won championships. This man knows first hand what it takes to rebuild a down trotted team into a contender. So this idea that he was "incompetent" is far off. If you hire a new GM to rebuild your team you give him a fair chance to implement his plan. Woody caved into fan and media pressure. When you're rebuilding bad seasons are always a possibility. Firing Idzik was not the right decision. Did Idzik make mistakes? Yes. But so does everybody else. Some of his moves backfired and he had poor luck as well. His moves were intended to maintain cap flexibility while developing young players. You can't be rebuilding and playing young/unproven players in certain roles and not expect growing pains. With Idzik having to spend 89% of the cap money it would've been interesting to see what he would've done with the money.
I thought the 2015 season was cancelled due to buffalo automatically winning the Superbowl because they got Rex?
Nope, but the OP listed "Rookie Leadership" as the primary reason to have few expectations for 2015. Maybe the key is to have rookie leadership AND a rookie qb. Who knows, but rookie leadership is probably a reason for the team doing better, not worse.
I'm expecting discipline, a system being implemented and watching players grow and get better each week. In terms of wins/losses I'm not expecting much more than 8-8 which is fine for a rookie regime. I'm more interested in seeing the development of the young players on the roster, good acquisitions via FA and the draft and good coaching decisions in-game. That's all I'm expecting for the 2015 season.
Nobody said the team would do worse. It would be hard for the team to accomplish that. My point is, with a Rookie Leadership in place there will be a learning curve and the fanbase should not jump all over the FO/CS if mistakes are made in the process. The patience we were willing to extend to Idzik should be extended to a greater degree to Mac and the CS. Over inflated expectations set this team up for failure and cost Ryan his job. That 8-8 in 2013 was a mirage and led to 4-12 and a housecleaning. In short, anything we get over 4-12 this year is a bonus. We don't need to make the playoffs this year, we need to make progress TOWARDS that goal.
If we are lucky I could see us going 1-15 that's if we are lucky,All kidding aside I'm expecting 10-6 or 11-5 anything else would be a major dissapointment.The last three head coaches of the Jets made the playoffs there first season Herm,Mangini,Rex....I'm gonna predict that it contiunes with Bowles
We do need to make the playoffs this year ...I expect a much better roster then we have had the last three seasons combined,There's no reason at all Bowles can't make a huge impact right away ....5 seasons without a playoff appearance isn't a goal I think we should cheer for
Sorry have to disagree it was REX who was the cause of his own demise when he GUARANTEED us fans a SB. Hopefully U do remember that at the start of his tenure with us. It was REX who sent our expectations soaring like a jet should do but ours instead crashed landed
I think even after offseason moves it's basically shooting fish in the ocean trying to understand what to expect with such a young FO and CS, but I'm sure somebody will brag about guessing the correct record in this topic even though it's comparable to guessing there are 100,342 jelly beans in a bucket at a town picnic. There's no way to guess educated or not.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this because I don't think you could possibly be any more wrong. I think you're reading way too much into his personnel/scouting experience with those two teams. They won in spite of him, not because of him. If he's as smart as you claim, he wouldn't have made so many mistakes in the draft and FA. You don't give him a "fair" chance if it becomes glaringly apparent that he's incompetent and in over his head unless you're stupid or don't care about your team. To allow him to have another year or two would have been disastrous for this team. Mark my words, he will never become a GM again in the NFL. Most of us see what you obviously are incapable of seeing.
In the most pure form of playing professionally, I would agree with you. However in this case, I would give this FO/CS time to jell without the pressure of really high expectations that may or may not be met. Bowles might make a huge inpact. Then again, he might not. There shouldn't be any pressure on him to deliver a Playoff team/SB contender this season. 5 seasons w/o a playoff appearance isn't ideal, but it does happen to bad teams and yeah, the Jets fall into that category. Mac is also in his first year as a GM so, he's learning the job from inside the walls instead of being outside looking in. Its one thing to observe but quite another to be THE GUY. Expect a learning curve and hope its flatter than most. 2015 should be a break in year for TBowl and Mac. It also needs to be a shakeout year for all the dead weight this team still has on the roster. This is a team in flux. Not the ideal situation but lets deal with what is instead of what we want it to be. Its alright to have high expectations but just like most things in life, its about the timing of those expectations. Give this new Leadership time to put all the pieces in place and get a feel for their jobs. Patience.. Patience... Patience.. Can't stress it enough..
I couldn't disagree more with your sentence that I bolded. Knowing your other posts, I can't believe you believe this, either Over inflated expectations had NOTHING to do with Rex losing his job. Rex cost Rex his job by being undisciplined, not holding players accountable, failing to make adjustments and come up with solutions to Jets' problems, being a loudmouth braggart, failing to have his team prepared to play, refusing to learn anything about offense, poor talent evaluation and poor player development. He is a loudmouth dumbass and not competent to be a HC in the NFL. His skills as a DC are even grossly overrated.
Wow... I wasn't going that far.. Man, you have a real hatred of one Rex Ryan of the Siberia Bills LMAO!!!!!
I totally agree with this post. I don't think that most people will be holding Mac's or Bowles' feet to the fire if the Jets don't go 11-5 this season. Anyone with half a brain wouldn't anyway. Our expectations need to be realistic, but undoubtedly, some of our expectations will be based on the hope we feel, and the joy and excitement we feel with having Woody clean house and finally show signs of "getting it." If those expectations aren't met, we need to be honest and realistic to realize that we were the ones at fault and not Mac and Bowles. Again, I think that most of us will be realistic and honest. I haven't seen any crazy predictions or expectations.
I don't "hate" him, but I have zero respect for him as a man or HC, little respect for him even as a football coach. I do intensely dislike him. I have always detested loud-mouthed, obnoxious braggarts, whose actions can't back up their words. That he made a circus and laughingstock out of my beloved Jets, didn't win him any points with me. Actually, I think he's a pathetic doofus. I hated what he did to my beloved Jets, but don't hate him. I'm just glad he's gone.
a comeback like the texans had is a realistic goal for us I think. SB? no. playoffs? eh, crapshoot. being in the race despite mediocre entities at QB? hey, we can do that! the most important move is one made at CB in FA, that could allow our young defensive core, in particular Pryor, to thrive and play to their strengths. I'm not convinced Pryor cant be an answer at FS (mostly because it feels like playing free or strong is losing distinction a bit) and I'm hoping a former DB and DB coach gets him up to potential. speaking of, I think its reasonable to expect that Pryor and all the other young players on our team find their own valuable niche. I want this coaching staff to bring out the best in whatever Idzik's army had in them; I want geno looking like valuable option at QB, I want evans and mcdougle contributing, aboushi finding his stride as starting guard, Amaro becoming at least a 50 rec 500 yd, 6 td+ TE, etc. I want this team to shine where it fell short last year, maybe a fresh coaching style can provide that. we're not in a mode to compete for the lombardi, we should be in the mode to maximize what we couldn't before with our previous regime and fill in the obvious gaps in the meantime. be realistic, be mindful of the future, and find our new identity.
