Fixed it for you. And the above is true at every level they've played (Pee-wee, Pop-Warner, JV, Varsity, college) and will continue in the pros provided all things remain equal.
You need to go back and read my posts, I said Vince Young the player, not the idiot. There are similarities in their games. Both very accurate throwers in college, mobile, physical stature, spread QBs that have a tendency to run. I don't know why you want to hate on Vince Young, the guy had all of the talent in the world - however he was far too immature - something Mariota is not. I'm looking back at the spread QBs that have made it to the NFL he fits the bill. His comparison is not Kaepernick and it's definitely not Eli Manning
Oh I'm moronic now? It's funny we sit here and bash Geno Smith because he didn't take snaps under center, but Mariota gets a pass? Just because I don't agree with your guys assessment of Mariota does not mean I am a moron. Pretty petty of you to be honest. Cook has leadership qualities, makes good decisions (which is not indicative of completion %), and has a very good football IQ. I'm looking at the big picture, plenty of QBs that will come into this league, Cook is just one of the guys I like - you can bash me for that, I really don't give a fuck at the end of the day.
This whole Mariota vs Cook is so silly when you think about the fact they will not be in the same draft. If Mariota and Cook were in the same draft, I think a solid argument could be made for picking Cook over Mariota even if I disagree with it. At least then I can see the logic of passing on Mariota to instead picking a highly rated DE/OL (not so sure about WR) then picking Cook with your next pick maybe even trading back up to secure you get him. Trading down also becomes more of a viable option because you know you can still grab Cook if Mariota is gone by the time you pick. However, passing on Mariota with the hopes to get Cook next year is Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs as is passing on Mariota to pick up a mid to late round QB. A bird in hand fellas!
I don't need to go back re-read anything. My reading comprehension is just fine. You're deflecting. It's ridiculous to try to compare Mariota and Young. About the only things they have in common is that they both play QB and are both mobile, athletic QBs. The other aspects of their play and abilities are NOTHING alike. I'm not hating on Vince Young. I liked him. I just think it's an idiotic comparison. He was supremely physically talented but is borderline mentally handicapped. It's not just a matter of his being "immature."
FTR I "bash" Geno because his footwork under center, shot-gun and I bet even in a dance battle circle is horrendous.
First off, I never said I would pass on Mariota if he were on the clock. We aren't going to be good next year, to be honest - I think the offensive line needs serious revamping. Let's not ignore the fact that by each passing yr Brick is regressing and Mangold is getting older. I don't want to put the next QB through the same shit as having a Wayne Hunter or a Adrien Clarke on the offensive line, it ruins QBs. I want to get this offensive line fixed, prior to having a QB. We got Collins from LSU, Peat from Stanford - some good talent on the offensive line available. There are tons of prospects in this draft that can really help out our team, it's time you guys view it that way instead of your fixation on 1 player. 1 man does not save a franchise. You still need to construct a team. As far as I am concerned, if I see a player like Randy Gregory on the clock and it's him vs Mariota, I take Gregory because he's the best player in this draft. Jets might wait a yr for a QB - so if we don't get Mariota, what QB are you looking at? Because we def aren't getting Winston and the rest of the QBs in this draft are trash IMO. Carden looks OK at best.
I didn't say that you are a moron. I said the comparison is moronic. There's a difference. I haven't bashed Geno because he didn't take snaps from under center in college. I've always thought that argument was stupid. I said all along that I liked the pick, but thought that he needed to sit for at least one, if not two years to give him time to focus on footwork, taking snaps under center, his drops, and readings NFL Ds. You can't work on those things when you're having to prepare to play the next game. Cook makes a lot of bad decisions. I saw MSU play a LOT this year. He is wildly inconsistent in terms of his reads, decision making and accuracy. Nothing about him impressed me or has made me think he's going to be even a quality starter in the NFL. You seem like a decent guy, I just think you have no eye for talent whatsoever. We disagreed wildly last year about players at about this time leading up to the draft. That in and of itself isn't a crime. It's the lengths you go to to try to justify your views and opinions that are over the top and leave reality behind.
See if you weren't so stubborn, you would realize my VY comparison was said because of how they play the game, nothing to do with their attitude (IE VY's psychological issues). Both very accurate, both mobile, both ran spread offenses. Mariota's got the better mechanics, but I go back and look at that 2006 Rose Bowl - they are both similar. Mariota they say is one of the must physically talented QBs to come out in some time. How is the comparison not valid outside of VY's immaturity and issues? Mariota ain't no Kaepernick, he ain't Wilson, and he's def not Cam so you look back at the Spread QBs that have come and gone who is the best comparison?
I have plenty of eye for talent, I just evaluate prospects differently then you. Who did I want last yr btw? Jordan Matthews? Marquise Lee (who isn't bad), Allen Robinson, Chris Borland - you go back and look at my mock drafts. I wish we had Chris Borland right now. I got knocked on those picks and they are both good NFL players.
This is the first time I remember seeing you say that you would take Mariota rather than trading down or taking an OL. I'm in total agreement with you about needing to fix the OL. One can't always do it in the order that you suggest, however (OL first, then get the QB). Quality starting QBs are hard to find. You take them when you can if you're lucky enough to have the opportunity to draft one. You can't pass them up because your OL isn't fixed yet. You take him, make him the #3 QB, and sit him for a year or two while you fix the OL. I was never in favor of drafting Sanchez, but when he was, I knew he should sit for a year or two. Tanny should have found a vet FA QB. Some of the same guys that are available now were available then. Sanchez had only had one year of starting experience. He needed to sit. Similarly, Geno needed to sit, not only because of the OL, but because he had a lot of fundamentals that he needed to work on. Only idiots like Rex and Tanny would have thrust him into the starting spot. I was in favor of starting Sanchez or a vet FA and letting them take the pounding while Geno sat safely on the bench and learned. I'm not fixated on one player. 1 man does not save a franchise, but a franchise QB can come pretty darned close. Look at Indianapolis. Look at what they were able to do with Peyton all those years while their D sucked and what has happened with them with Luck. Look at how Brady has carried NE through some lean years when their D was pretty bad and they had a bunch of no-name WRs. QB is THE most important position on a football team. Getting a quality starter will do more for this team's play than anything else. Period. You're the one who needs to learn that fact.
Saying Vince Young w/o the immaturity is very different than "...he could be Vince Young - they have a lot of similar skill-sets." Vince Young who is 31-19 as a NFL starter flamed out of the league not because of his skill set but mostly because of his immaturity. Not nit-picking but words matter especially on a message board as that's all we have to go by. In addition to being more mature, I'd like to add that Mariota is has better mechanics, quicker release, is the better passer, is more patient in the pocket, scrambles more to pass than run and probably faster, though that really doesn't matter. Note I didn't include the intangibles like intelligence, work ethic and leadership which I'm pretty sure Mariota has the edge also. But yeah when you include ALL THOSE CAVEATS, the Vince Young comparison works.
Maybe it was the QB position where we disagreed so radically. I liked Matthews and Borland a lot. I wasn't wild about Robinson, but I would have been happy with him as our second WR pick. I think it was Teddy where we disagreed so vehemently.
You didn't like Teddy? I thought you did, I thought everyone did cept for Brad ... maybe it was Derek Carr? I liked him, but I hated Bortles. IDK about the patient part, the # of rushes tell me otherwise ... VY had a pretty quick release too, though his delivery was unorthodox.
The only thing wrong with this is that Russell Wilson, as you stated, had a comp % at 60 his last year for Wisconsin. So are you using that blind faith with Cook that he'll have that next year? As it stands now, and I've said this before, Cook and Mariota have similar roads to become good NFL QB's. They don't have the same road, but they are very similar in length. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Stop the in fighting and relax. Better question would be. Whom would rather kill brady, bellicheat, or both (joke). LOL
# rushes and more importantly watching the games should have told you that the Oregon offense had a lot of designed runs. However, on design pass plays he shows good patience in the pocket. He also keeps his eyes down field when he breaks a collapsing pocket. Young more often than not just ran at the first sign of trouble.
Cook has yet to play in his SR year - so he's got a chance. See the difference between me and everyone else in this debate, I don't have blind faith in Cook - I recognize the flaws, I realize he's not an elite prospect, I know he can do some great things on the field that would help our offense. I like other prospects too - the thing I know is, if we don't get Mariota it's not the end of the world. Texas had designed runs as well - all I know is, I don't know if Mariota can operate in the pocket, it's an unknown, it hasn't worked out for a lot of those spread QBs - that's all I'm saying.
He does have a chance, but he hasn't shown us he can do that yet. Can he? Probably. Some people think that just because someone hasn't done something means they can't though. (Ehh...ehh...see what I did there??) Everyone recognizes Mariota's flaws too, I haven't seen anyone on here that won't concede he has flaws. We just feel he has the intelligence and work ethic to fix those flaws. The same could be said for Cook as well. It won't be the end of the world if we don't get Mariota, the sun will rise that next day. We just recognize the talent he has and believe that we really need this guy. At the end of the day, Mariota is in this draft, Cook is not. You can interpret that however you choose. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
