So, the mistakes in personnel assignments, game management etc. were because they were learning as they go? I hope this group masters it before 6 years elapse. But seriously folks, without knowing who they draft, it is hard to say. I think the D will be sound. I pray for 8-8, by the way. Get us to 8-8 this year. Next year, no excuses.
I'd like to see signs of improvement and a clear direction in all areas. That's the most important thing. There will be mistakes, that is to be expected, but I'd like to see recognition of these and us doing something about them, rather than stubbornly sticking with what isn't working as well. If you were to push me on a record, I'd go for 8 wins, based on an existing benchmark of 6 wins, which is the average of our last 2 seasons and I'd say a fair reflection of the roster as it stands.
Free agent money will be spent. Probably only on one big time player I'd guess Jackson from Houston. Having new scouts is refreshinf, who knows what theyll do. But what I do know is the Jets will be a lot different than last year's version.
+1 Growing pains across the board, but most likely an easier schedule + Woody spending some $ this offseason = slight improvement If Geno takes the next step (or they bring in a solid "Hold the fort" type vet.... ) add another game or two in the Win column. Basically I just want to see improvement and to be competitive on sundays...... or I'll be out on the water
My expectations are the same as I had coming into this year: 8-8 +/- 2 wins. Personally, I don't believe this was a 4-12 team. There were way too many close games this year and lets not discount that one of the teams playing in the Super Bowl this year nearly lost to us TWICE. I don't think our team is great but heck we're not in the same league as the Bucs/Jags/Titans et al Imagine if Kraft weren't the co-comissioner here:
While I appreciate the effort Cman put into his OP here, I think it is very early to be offering a forecast for the coming season. Too much depends, I think, on what the Jets end up with at the Qb position. That's even more true than in your average year since all they have right now is Smith and Simms, and Smith in particular is perfectly capable of leading this team to another 4-12 season or worse. But... I also think the Jets are certain to upgrade their secondary. No way the new GM and CS will not address that. Even there, though, the upgrade just might be somewhat offset by linebacker. I have been underwhelmed by Harris for awhile, especially in 12 and 14 (he did play better in 13), but they already have to replace Pace, most likely, so it's not a sure thing the defensive personnel will be all that much better. Still, a game or two better is fair. So it mostly depends on upgrading the offensive roster. I do agree that the CS is likely going to perform better than last year's, but again it remains to be seen how much better. Overall, if SMith is still the starter, improvements elsewhere probablyl would mean a 5 win floor, but I do expect there will be somewhat better Qb's on the team, the obvious huge questin being how much better. I just don't know at this point.
Agreed about 4 wins, but 2013 was probably 2 wins too many as well. The fine margin calls worked for us then and went against us this year. 8-8 +/- 2 is about as good as we can say at this point.
1985 and I have had disagreements on the merits of Idzik and Smith. Underlying this post is an inference that critics of Idzik and Smith were too impatient, and in effect are reflexively so. According to 1985, most Jet fans, those who he has disagreed with, implicitly including me, of course, must "learn to be patient." I don't think I need to learn to be patient. I don't think SMith and Idzik deserved to be treated more patiently. Patience can be an excuse for inaction. I was reading a recounting yesterday of what amounted to an early World War II comparison between two US Navy admirals, commanding two aircraft carriers. One was Admiral Brown, the other Admiral Halsey. Just over two months after Pearl Harbor the Navy wanted to use their carriers, aside from the submarines all that was really left after the Pearl Harbor debacle, to take the fight to the Japanese. Brown's mission was to proceed through the southern Marsall Islands, near the Gilberts, to engage Japanese forces and eventually attack Rabaul on New Britain. But his initial contacts led him to proceed cautiously, and in the end he never got near Rabaul. He did have a tough time with the weather, but there was a suspicion he was being too cautious, too "patient." Halsey on the other hand actually faced more strength by the Japanese as he proceeded in the northern Marshalls, but proceeded and eventually atttacked them in Kwajalein, to great effect. He fought off counterattacks by Japanese landbased bombers, and still launched more attacks. This did not mean he was unconcerned with too great a risk, and at the appropriate time, when he believed the benefits of further attacks on the Japanese were not siginficant, he used an approaching storm to provide cover, and he retired back to base, where he was greeted with with cheers, horns blowing, and wild approval. Brown also returned, and he did not get cheers and such. The point is don't let caution, don't let patience, become an excuse for not taking action, for avoiding risks even where taking risks is the way to achieve your goal. As a postscript, Brown did achieve some success on his next mission, but was still seen as being too cautious, and was reassigned to a post requiring less risktaking. Halsey went on to become perhaps the most lauded commander in the US Navy during WWII.
This is a rebuild which means that there is potential for bumps in the road and set backs. I'm just saying that the fans should give the new regime a chance to implement their strategy and correct things that didn't work. That's the fair thing to do. Or are you okay with regime changes every 2 years?
I really think that anything from a rebuilding-esuqe year with a 3-5 win team to a playoff team is possible. Especially with a lot of cap room and the 6th pick, this team, which already has some building blocks and strengths, can greatly improve. One thing I'll say about this GM-HC combo is that although I have some confidence in them and am excited by their strengths, I want to give them ample time before trying to fire them if things don't go well immediately. For example, if this team missed the playoffs in 15' and 16', I would probably want to give them more time. However, from what I've read and seen so far, I like these hires and feel that the team will greatly improve in terms of talent and performance in time.
I don't think that ANYONE wants the regime to change every two years. That has been one thing, probably THE ONLY THING, that I've seen Jets fans be unanimous on over the last several years. Some have gone so far in their quest for stability and continuity that they have wanted to hold onto coaches and GMs who have proven to be incompetent to most Jets fans (Tanny, Idzik, Schottenheimer, Herm, Mangini, Rex, etc.). That said, if the Jets fail to make the playoffs in the 2016 season, I'm sure that some will be calling for their heads. As long as the team is showing improved talent, is competitive, playing smart, disciplined and tough football, I don't think anyone will complain too much. It would take gross incompetence for a number of fans to start grumbling. For me, I think two years is enough to show if a person is in over his head. It clearly was imo with Idzik, Tanny, MM and Schottenheimer. It's one thing when one is a rookie in his position but another when that person is an experienced coach at his position. So in the Jets's case, they have experienced coaches in Gailey, April, and I think maybe the DL and DB coaches (Danna). If those units are grossly under performing after two seasons or if the DC is struggling badly, then it might be time to replace some position coaches or a coordinator, but not Bowles or the FO.
It's still early but we have some talent and will have plenty of cap room. I think my expectations will be 6-7 wins or so. Of course we could be worse or better but I think it is fair to expect around 6-7 wins.
I don't see there being much complaint about these two hires unless they are evidently worse than merely incompetent, which I think is unlikely. I t hink it unfair of you to equate judging a rookie and then sophomore Qb with judging a new HC and even what occurred with Idzik being typical for analyzing a new GM. I had concerns about Idzik from the beginning since I thought particularly with Ryan having shortcomings in judging personnel that the new GM should have had more of a background in personnel than Idzik had. The circumstances of his hire, when he was not on the original list of desired candidates, relating to the controversial decision to retain Ryan before hiring the new GM, was also a factor. Idzik went on to validate those concerns, more than enough to justify cutting one's losses after "only" two years. I have no such concerns about Maccagnan. Yes, we all should be somewhat concerned that he has no track record of success as a GM, but he has many undicators of success in his previous positions that tend to make him a likely candidate to succeed. So in short the circumstances are very different.
This here is why we will be in a continual loop doing the same thing over and over. "Being in over his head" is subjective. If we are rebuilding then it takes time and you have to account for things going wrong and mistakes etc. We all want the Jets to win but giving the front office sufficient time is not pining to keep incompetent people but it's allowing them to implement their plan and correct possible mistakes.
yep, the guys that have led this franchise to the best stretch in franchise history by far have clearly been incompetent. It's painful to read some of this nonsense.
I'm not complaining about them I have no reason to. I just don't want a repeat of the Idzik situation where a front office gets canned without a chance to implement his plan. Idzik was brought into a situation where he was asked to be apart of a rebuild. His moves were about the future. He also did have a personnel background considering that he was the personnel guy of the lates 90's early 00's Tampa Bay Bucs. He was a personnel guy for the Cardinals and they eventually went to a SB. The same strategy Idzik tried to implement here, was what he saw in Tampa and Arizona. Building through the draft and developing young talent. It's just that in NY that doesn't work. Getting rid of a GM after 2 years was not the right move considering how soon it was to judge any of his draft picks.
