Cut him, let him hit the market and if he's willing to resign at some point for an acceptable price bring him back. If he signs with someone else so be it, that's his choice based on what the market will pay him.
Agreed, but that theory is shit when building an offense. While the QB is EVERYTHING on an offense, you still need the proper pieces in place to score and produce. Yeah, if turnovers keep happening, it limits the production of a guy like Harvin, but what if the turnovers stop? What if we draft a QB? What if we suck again but get a shot at an elite QB in next year's draft?
I voted keep him at his 10.5 mil next year he might be over paid but so what he has to stay healthy for a full year before I would give him new deal with guarantees even if it's for less money .
It's hard letting a talent like Harvin walk away. When this guy plays, he's dynamic. But injuries/migranes are definitely an issue with him. I'd like to be able to restructure him, if he really isnt interested in restructuring, then its a tough situation for Maccagnan to be in. It's gonna be one of his first big decisions as Jets GM.
I think Chandler will have a field day with Harvin on our offense. He's not worth the 10mil he's on the books for, nor is he worth the 7mil we took off our future cap to have him this year as I stated in the "Welcome to the Team Percy" thread, for which I was squarely lambasted. However, if we can do a restructure or a cut and re-sign as previously mentioned in this thread, I have a good feeling about him.
No matter who we start at QB, we still need to field the best team we can assemble. No bad or average QB was ever hindered by good talent around him. If the coaching staff is unsure about Geno, a team loaded with talent will answer any questions they have of him quickly. Any of the FA QB's could come in and light things up with talent already in place, bringing in new QB's to a no talent team gets us no where.
I think that a lot of you guys who want to retain Harvin are underestimating the value of a 4th round pick. One can often find very good players in the 4th round. Lots of good players drop to the 4th round, and it's a good place to take a flyer on an extremely talented player who dropped due to injury or off-field issues. Historically, the Jets have done pretty well in the 4th round. Kerry Rhodes, Bilal Powell, Leon Washington, Brad Smith, Jerricho Cotchery and Jason Fabini were all 4th round picks. In many years the Jets have traded away their 4th round pick. I hope that Mac will keep our 4th. Harvin is a risk due to his health. With his $10 million, the Jets could quite possibly sign 2-3 FAs who would be starters at several positions like OG & FS, and perhaps OLB. Is he really worth the risk? I think the team would be better served having quality starters at OG and FS even if that took the full $10 million, but I think it's quite possible that the team could even sign a 3rd player. Then if you add the 4th round pick, keeping Harvin could cost the Jets 3-4 quality players. He would have to put up some awesome numbers to balance the cost of those 3-4 players. Having all the talent and play making ability in the world doesn't matter if it 's not on the field, of its effectiveness is limited because he hasn't been able to practice due to migraines or being nicked up with nagging injuries. If he can get Harvin to accept a pay cut or cut Harvin and re-sign him to a cheaper contract, great; otherwise I say let him walk.
The type of runaway that that that Percy brings to the offense can't be measured in his numbers alone. The numbers of those around stand to benefit equally well when a team has a guy like him keeping them honest. That said, if he's not on the field, then there is no presence. 15, 14, 13, 9, 1, 13 games per season since he entered the league. That is an average of about 11 games per season. 13 is the average ignoring the outlier of his last season in Minny. 13 is about all anyone can expect out of a Reggie Bush type so I'm cool with that. AFA the attitude problem, it seems to be overblown considering how highly he continues to be spoken of in Seattle, as well as the fact that he had no issues on a team with more issues than Time magazine under the Rex regime. Half a season I know, but you can bet Mandouche and Dickchim were looking under every rock for one.
So you would keep him and lose a 4th and 10 plus million? Cut this dude he hasnt done jack in like 4 years not to mention he cant stay healthy......save cap and the pick
He is stupid that's why he said 3rd pick. I won't respond to his garbage again. He wants to keep Harvin at 10 mil so that shows how stupid he is.
The way I see it is he has no choice but to restructure with us. He won't even get close to the money we will be giving him anywhere else and the difference between a 4th and 6th is minimal both are hit and miss. Sure he'd have a chance to go to a contender but he would be losing a lot of money. Unless we feel very confident we can get one of the best receivers on the market letting him go would be a mistake.
He actually has a lot of choice besides restructuring. He can hit the open market and likely play with a better QB than Geno Smith. He's not taking less from the Jets unless he gets a ton of guaranteed money. I would much have the high fourth round pick. He's always injured and is more of a gadget player IMO. Dynamic yea, but not at the cost of a high fourth and close to $10mm. And as a side note, think Kerley was overpaid as well. We got too much $ in those 3 WRs relative to the production we get.
Kerley's got a 2.6 million dollar cap hit, 2 mil last year, 3.1 next year, hows that an overpay? honestly that was a must re-sign situation, a relatively inexpensive vet with valuable production when things were their bleakest on an easy come easy go deal? we'd be dumb not to retain him going into this year, especially with Harvin's future up in the air. we'd have one vet WR and come from a poor position of need going into free agency, that helps nothing. As is we can cut Harvin at our leisure BECAUSE we have another veteran starter on standby.
You obviously didn't read what I said. He has a lot of choices but he won't be making anywhere near the money he would be here.
"The way I see it is he has no choice but to restructure with us. He won't even get close to the money we will be giving him anywhere else and the difference between a 4th and 6th is minimal both are hit and miss." I read ur post. I think I understand what u mean now after your second post but ur first one definitely implied that he had to restructure / we had most of the leverage here. And that's a point that I emphatically disagree with. I'm a betting man and I would say given our QB situation that we would have to pay above what most teams would pay / what he's worth to keep him. He's got to make a bet on himself and best way to increase his stats is to play with a better QB. I would take D Thomas, Cobb or Torrey Smith over him any day
I'll apologize as I was mistaken on the contract. I thought he was getting 5mm per year. It's actually not a bad contract. That said, he still regressed inexplicably which is the other source of my frustration.
