Super Bowl XLIX Discussion Thread

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  1. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    Bingo.

    Like I said, if Wilson limits turnovers, Seattle is the best team in the league.

    They beat Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers with 4 turnovers. This team is serious shit
     
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  2. SteveGrogan

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    Winning the coin flip was a big help. I think they just came out flat for the NFC championship, I think they got the warning they needed for that to not happen again.
     
  3. BigSnacks54

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    The read option isn't garbage, Seattle's offense is dependent on it... if the EDGE crashes Wilson is going to keep the ball and run for a nice chuck, and if the EDGE decides to not crash or "slow play it", Marshan Lynch is going to have success with an inside zone run. And Pete Carroll and company have done a nice job of incoporating his WRS into the read option, by allowing them to screens or fly routes to place extra pressure on the secondary . Now the defense can combat this with the scrape exchange tenchique, which basically means that the linebacker will take the role of the DE while he crashes; Seattle usually counters this by placing an H back it the backfield to kick it out edge support. If used correctly the read option is absolutely beautiful.
     
  4. SteveGrogan

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    Sorry, I was totally giving opinion. I'm not much of a read option fan, I just feel like it's overly dependent on a scurrying QB which I've typically not been a fan of. I honestly don't know a whole lot about Seattle's defense aside from the secondary. I'm sure they'll run a ton of stunts - and I wouldn't rule out any combination at any given time with them putting anyone on the swing/screen/boots outside. Who the best matchup is I really have no idea, and I don't really think we'll see a lot of blitzing. It's too bad the X's and O's have taken a back seat to the other topics, there's some really interesting stuff going on inside the game.

    But yeah, lb scrapes and combo blocking effectiveness are going to be enormous.
     
  5. GQMartin

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    Also, the emergence of the TE Willson and Baldwin has been over achieving which makes it tough to cheat up...
     
  6. GQMartin

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    Seattle's secondary is fast and tough. Sherman has excellent ball skills, i.e. he always seems to make plays on the ball in flight. Furthermore on long routes, Sherman frequently beats the receiver to the spot.

    Earl Thomas has great closing skills and offers a lot of help over the top. Thomas offers the corners a lot of comfort to make plays on the ball keeping in mind he is there for help if they dive/fall and miss.
     
  7. BigSnacks54

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    Well, Seattle usually plays Cover 3 Cloud or buzz(Chancellor drops into a hook zone in buzz) for the most part. They'll play cover 1 every now and then and have Kam Chancellor "spy" the Qb or play a rover position, where he can blow up certain route combinations. We'll see if Seattale adjusts- I think they have to; the Patriots run tons of route combinations and concepts, that are spefically designed to attack the soft spots of a cover three defense. I expect to see a combination of zone coverage and man from the Seahawks.
     
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    I believe that Seattle's offense is vastly underrated. They have an excellent ZBS, along with physical WRS, who complement the read option system beautifully.
     
  9. SteveGrogan

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    Yeah that's definitely an X factor. Releases from the LOS as well as the blocking.

    I disagree with you on some level... but you did give amazing support for your answer. I honestly don't know how any of it is going to end up, but I think you touched on a great point in that other response you gave where it really all comes down to that first step. If Seattle can keep NE guessing enough to take away that first step - that could give them the room they need to operate.

    Then again, over pursuit seems to work well for Seattle also.
     
  10. SteveGrogan

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    I don't think they'll be spying Brady much if at all - I would expect creative zone blitzes all day long. That's been the stake through the heart of NE (or any team that likes to throw 55 times a game). NE will counter with quick slants and screens and try to get Blount into the second level on some lucky blitz guesses.

    But then again... do you even bother blitzing when you feel like you can cover everyone?

    I still would. At least right in the beginning to shake Brady up.
     
  11. 101GangGreen101

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    Patriots short passing game could give Seattle some issues, if they can stop the short passing game, the Seahawks will easily win. Dare Brady to beat you deep. Stop Blount from running up the middle.

    Russel Wilson will need to run more this game IMO, that TE Luke Wilson will need to have a great game, I don't see anyway the Seahawks get the ball to their top WRs.
     
  12. SteveGrogan

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    That's the thing though, they don't even have to get the ball to them - their WR's can basically have a day stretching vertical clearing routs spreading the defense and keep the the LBs worried about the TE while Wilson runs all over the place.

    I get a headache thinking about all the different match ups.

    I'm not a bettor but what do you think about the over under being 49 for this game in total points? Sound high or low? I feel like I cannot make any predictions in this game with any confidence.
     
  13. dawinner127

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    5 turnovers. Baldwin fumbled a kickoff as well.

    Seattle smoked Denver and Denver's weapons were much better than new England's. DT JT' decker and welker. New England's weapons don't come anywhere near that. This game is going to come down to if Seattle can be physical with Edelman and gronk. If we see these 5 yard automatic first down holding penalties it's gonna be a long day for Seattle

    . I'm really excited to see gronk and chancellor matchup as well. Chancellor is one of the only people (other than Antonio Allen ;)) who can go body on body with him.
     
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    I think the over under is righht on the. Only. 26-23 or 27-24 type game. One prop bet I do love is both teams making a fieldgoal OVER 33 yards
     
  15. SteveGrogan

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    I really do hope this is one of the better Super Bowl match-ups. Supposedly will draw a record audience, a crap game would be awful.
     
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    This is the first time in his career Gronkowski has been healthy through the post season. Should be interesting how that affects the game.
     
  17. SteveGrogan

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    Very interesting? I mean so many people don't even realize a TE doesn't need to catch passes to have an amazing game - he can do a lot of different things. Just trying to keep him from releasing will do 'something' to the defense.
     
  18. Pocket Jet

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    LUCK, both times
     
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  19. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Yeah all of the match ups give me a headache also hahah - should be a really good SB. I'll be watching Chancellor v Gronk all game long, I think that's the most exciting match up.

    The game-plan to use the receivers as decoys is a good idea, I think that's how the Seahawks score points also. Get the TEs involved, have Wilson run and extend plays. Don't forget Lynch. I think 49 points is a lot for this game. I'm thinking 38 points at most between the two teams. It's going to be a struggle, but I think both teams will find a way to put enough points on the board. This match up is pretty even - very tough to make predictions. I think a key to the game is the health of Thomas and Sherman as well.
     
  20. BigSnacks54

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    Seattle's interior pass rush, in my opinion, is underrated; They don't need to blitz, they need as many players in coverage as possible to potentially eliminate Gronk from the game. I guess we'll see a blitz or two on 3rd and longs, but I don't expect to see many blitzes, if any at all... it's just not in Carroll's DNA.
     

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