There is nothing about Mariota's game that is anything like Eli Manning. He's no Matt Ryan either. I don't know why we are sitting here comparing Mariota to pocket passers when in reality he's not a Pocket Passer. I myself, compare him to a right handed Steve Young. Scrambler first, very accurate, can throw VERY well on the run - but isn't a starter out of the gate. Needs to refine his game completely and needs to be in a good system to thrive. I also see some Vince Young in his game (in terms of accuracy; not leadership / IQ). In regards to Cooper this year and Cook next year?
Hard to say because he has never been in that type of a system but if you look at his body of work, he throws very well on the run or on a roll out when looking at 2nd and third reads and he rarely forces the ball in. Anywhere. How will he do against pro defenses? Who knows? But he's very intelligent and appears to be able to read the defenses he's faced. Oregon's job is not to groom NFL QBs, it's to win games. Which he's done a ton of. And again, from all accounts he's not a dummy and will have the ability to get up a steep learning curve quickly. Guys touting college QBs playing in pro style offenses won't admit it but those QBs AREN'T playing against pro defenses. They're playing against college kids. I'd take the superior talent with a high football IQ and a huge work ethic over an inferior player who has some limited experience as a 20 year old against other 20 year olds who won't be in the NFL next year. _
Very relevant. He may end up like a Steve Young on a team w/ great coaching, or he could be a Vince Young and be average (but still remain in the league). So Eli Manning? Nah. Matt Ryan? Nah.
Who cares if he can start game one? I care about game 17. You think Connor Cook can start game 1 2016? Let's see him complete more than 58% of his passes in college before we anoint him a day 1 starter in the NFL. And if you want to, you can retract your Vince Young comparison. It's as monumentally stupid as Vince Young was. _
If you read my posts, I said he could be VY w/out the headache - both ran the spread, both were very accurate, VY was a good passer in college. Mariota's attitude and football IQ - there is no comparison, Mariota wins that. Cook has improved every year as a starter, if he becomes more consistent w/ his footwork - that guy will be able to start day 1 no questions asked. Saying someone can start from day 1 means they are ready for the NFL, you won't have to teach Cook the basics of a pro offense, the 3 and 5 step drops, etc. Sure you improve it, but as I said the foundation has been established thanks to the good coaching over at MSU. That's why you see Winston potentially being the #1 overall pick right now and not Mariota, whose stock seems to be dropping.
Thanks for your post, and your argument is both plausible and to the point. I agree in particular that the fact that someone else plays in a pro style offense is oversold by some here. I don't intend to spend too much time talking about Mariota, though, in the next few weeks, since I think if he falls to the Jets, they may well take him, probably should, unless some other deal is too compelling, like with Philly. But mainly because right now I doubt he falls to the Jets.
lmao nice sig, too bad you couldn't comprehend what I was saying. I guess this means I've arrived on this board.
Do you think Cook is a superior player--nothwithstanding the system--than Mariota? In say 3 years? Smarter, better thrower, better athlete, quicker release, more accurate? I think Mariota is a far superior player from every aspect other than a touch of arm strength. And has played at a top level for 3 years already. By the time Cook graduates, Mariota will have been in a REAL pro system (not college) for a full year and will likely have mastered it and be in a position to lead an NFL team into the playoffs. Cook is a year behind and not as talented. Oh, and he's already older than Mariota. Mariota already has a game or two in hand. But yeah, Mariota could be a Vince Young. _
If I had to take 1 of the 2, I take Cook. At the end of the day, I know the Jets can win with a Joe Flacco / Carson Palmer level player (in which I compare Cook too). I think people here get too enamored with potential w/out looking at what the player's skill-sets now and how they translate to the next level. Mariota no doubt has more potential, but at the end of the day, I can take what abilities Cook has now, enhance those skills and get a very good QB in lesser time. I know he can take snaps under center, I know he can make reads, I know he can run the pro offense. The basics, he knows - as a coach I'll enhance those abilities and work on things he's not good at such as footwork. Cook has a very good football IQ, coming from MSU w/ good coaching he's improving every year as a starter. He knows how to play the game. Mariota, what does he do well now that translates to the next level? Accuracy OK, he's got that. Arm Strength? Cook has a stronger arm; can make throws in tighter windows. So what you are telling me, is I have to "build" Mariota practically from scratch. I have to teach him how to take snaps under center, I have to teach him how to go through progressions (which he HAS not done; as the system limits that - if you don't show it on film, I will assume you don't know how to do it), I have to teach him everything literally from scratch. To me, it is not proven that he will understand this. You have blind faith. He's a smart guy, we all know that - but so was Mark Sanchez, so was Sam Bradford. So what you are telling me is in 1 year, Mariota will MASTER the pro offense (lmao)? Highly doubtful - there's more blind faith. Mariota could be Vince Young - they have a lot of similar skill-sets. Cook does things that Mariota cannot (and more than likely will not be able to do) do and that's all on tape. This applies on the other end as well. Unfortunately, what Cook does better translates better at the next level.
You have a selective reading issue. You read only what you want to read - that's pretty sad, you do this a lot I notice.
If I had known handing the ball off and throwing screens would have gotten me a scholarship as a QB then I would have tried harder.
I'm still confused on why you use a 1st round pick on a SS, a position that we were already 3 deep at? Was he that much better Clinton-Dix, Ford, Cooks, Dennard, Verret, Benjamin…etc. who all played in positions where we had an immediate need?
This anything Mark Sanchez related being the root of all our problems is getting ridiculous. We traded up to the 5th overall pick from 19 and only gave up and extra second round pick, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratcliff and Abram Elam. Regardless of who we picked, that's highway robbery on the part of the Jets that's not even taking into account the fact the player was a contributor on 2 AFCCG runs. The dude is gone and we fucking stink, is that also because we traded up to get?
Kind of sucks since we have so many deep threats…oh wait. BTW Geno is supposedly a good deep ball passer.
Got it. An inferior talent with a few snaps from under center trumps the superior talent in every aspect of the game. The ONLY thing Cook MAY have is a slightly stronger arm but I've seen Mariota throw many a ball into tight windows and I've seen Cook throw many a ball into the ground or high or just plain miss. He's under a 58% passer IN COLLEGE. Against COLLEGE kids. No amount of taking snaps from under center or practicing 5 step drops is going to fix that. And that you think Cook can do things Mariota likely won't EVER be able to do is comical. How about he complete more than 60% of his passes in college before you put him at Mariota's level. Talent trumps system. You can learn a system. _
