I'd bet this is what will happen. Harvin may not get too many offers anyway and might be put in the situation where he has to sign a small contract to make him prove himself on the field and in the locker room. The timing may not be the best for us to sign him right now and Mac/Bowles may wanna develop someone...
Yeah that's my fault. Spent a good part of the night arguing with a goober and allowed it to let me get lazy
It's a no-brainer to keep Harvin. If you can get him to restructure/take a pay cut that's a plus but you cannot let him get out of town for the difference between a 4th and a 6th round pick. Not if you want to make a big improvement in the team's record next year. We've got next to no talent on the offensive side of the ball. The one person aside from Harvin who is explosive is Chris Ivory and he's a RB and he's injury-prone. If you want the Jets offense to look better next year under Gailey than it has the last two seasons you have to give the man play makers to work with and Harvin is a play maker. Then you have the separate issue of KR's, where Harvin is one of the best in the league and this is just a no-brainer. If the Jets let Harvin go when they have as much cap space as they have right now it will tell us that they're not really serious about next season.
I like exciting players on MY team. Players like Harvin are fun to watch, so yeah, keep him. No brainer. I know he came in in the middle of last season which means the O had to scramble to figure out how to best use him, but I'd hope that with a whole training camp and a new offense, Chan would be able to put 2 and 2 together. If not, I'm sure there's a HC up in NE that would love to show the NFL how to use Percy Harvin.
People are mentioning signing a 'real WR' for the same money but it won't be the 'same money'. Harvin has a contract that allows us to cut or trade him at any time without any cap ramifications. Sign a 'real wr' and it will eat into our cap for the next 3-5 years. It is truly a very difficult decision that we have with Harvin.
And a cut/re-sign a la Vilma presents the same/worse scenario. Do we really want to be locked into Harvin for multiple years?
If the Jets play hardball with Harvin he'll wind up somewhere else in a hurry. It won't be at $10.5M a year but he will get about that amount in guarantees up front from somebody. The primary issue with him is not the contract, because the Jets can get out of it at any time they choose. The primary issue is not the cap space because the Jets have a lot of cap space. The primary issue is whether he's willing to be the player he actually is or if he wants to become something different. He's not a WR. He's a RB/WR hybrid. He was a RB in college. That's where his value is, as a RB/WR hybrid who is also a great KR. If he's willing to do that then he's worth the $10.5M in cap space. If he wants to just do the WR/KR thing he probably isn't.
So we finally get an elite amebreaking athlete on offense, and so many people are willing to say goodbye and go back to rolling with our usual plodders? I would certainly want him to restructure. But to say that Spiller is just as good... please. Give me a break. I'm all for Spiller replacing CJ.5K, but he does not come anywhere close to replacing Percy Harvin from an ability standpoint.
It's the media. They're already cooking up the storyline that the Jets have to cut Harvin to save the 4th to 6th difference and the $10.5M in cash and cap next year. They're going to roll with that and then beat the Jets about the head with it if they decide to keep him. The media is always pushing a potential club to use against the Jets. I'm convinced the Jets are the only team in professional sports that does not have a hometown media structure in place. The closest you come are Newsday on the island and the Star Ledger in NJ. The NY tabloids are the Giants hometown media and they beat the Jets like a drum at the first whiff of trouble. Lately they've been creating wedge issues to beat the Jets with.
Even SNY does that. Hopefully it gets a little better with the new guys....and the 'improved' Woodster
I'm for cutting him,I just think there's other guys at WR I rather put money into during free agency.He's not worth the price tag
I agree with you, but this is not necessarily true. If they let go Harvin and then sign Demaryius Thomas or Jeremy Maclin for the same amount they would have spent on Harvin, I would take that. Restructuring Harvin is perhaps the easiest (and even best) option, but the amount of cap space we have gives the Jets many, many options. If Bowles and the coaching staff believes we can use Harvin to the best of his abilities, I bet he stays with the organization. If we see another WR on the market who we like better, I could see us letting Harvin go without "giving up" on the season.
Harvin adds a threat level we haven't seen in years. His durability is an issue, but when healthy he is a triple threat for this team. KR's out past the 20 yard line, a shifty RB that can get 30+yards down field to catch passes. He's the type who can open up defenses, which helps everyone else on offense and with a shaky O-line, having Harvin on the field is a great quick out for whoever is QB. He strikes me as a guy who could break out a 40 yard gain every time he touches the ball. I don't see the money as an issue, if he's willing to redo his contract, fine, if not pay him year to year.
The Jets could also keep Harvin and sign one of those guys. It's not like the talent is overflowing on that side of the ball right now. Normally you wouldn't tie up that much cap space in two offensive play makers because you need better balance in your spending. However Harvin can be let go at any time for no cap hit at all. You sign Demaryius Thomas to a normal free agent deal, which will be expensive and you play him and Decker as the two outside receivers with Harvin in the slot and in the backfield and Amaro as the other hard to cover interchangeable piece and you see what happens. If the offense doesn't turn into a strength and you need the cap space elsewhere in 2016 you let Harvin go. No dead money. If the Jets turn into an offensive powerhouse then you have some questions about how to make everything fit. However Harvin being on a pay to play basis makes every other decision easier.
That's certainly an intriguing idea. Demaryius + Decker + Harvin + Kerley + Amaro sounds very compelling, but it also does spend quite a bit of cap space in 2014 alone on one position, particularly a position whose talent isn't maximized without a half-decent Qb. If we could do all that AND re-sign Mo Wilk AND get a CB AND get a RG AND get a veteran Qb AND get a FS, OLB, etc., I would certainly be happy. But $40 million disappears quickly when you sign free agents, particularly top free agents. Is Harvin's contract flexibility worth the $10.5 million that could be spent on filling up other needs (including WR)? Time will tell, I guess.
I would much rather draft Amari Cooper (or Kevin White / Strong / Parker) and have Rookie / Decker / Harvin under a cheaper price-tag in regards to the WR position. D. Thomas will be paid like one of the top receivers in the league, it's a lot of cash to put into 1 position. We need to pay Wilkerson and other upcoming stars on our team. Cooper with Decker and Harvin - holy crap though
Good player. Not worth his asking price. For that money there are much better players out there. Let him walk PLEASE!
I think we should renegotiate him and he would likely stay with us. From what I remember reading last season, he really liked it here. Loved the locker room and loved the players. He also loved how much play time he was getting here. He proved to be a very explosive weapon with us and I think it is very smart to sign him to a long term deal. Create stability in the offense. If we sign a guy like Demaryius Thomas, our receiving Corp would be stacked. Thomas, Decker, Harvin, Kerley on the outside and Cumberland and Amaro at TE. That could be a very potent offense. The problem with letting Harvin go, is now you are relying too much on a draft pick.
The real problem is that we don't know who we are relying on to get them the ball. It's all great in theory but until we get a QB that isn't a TO machine it's not gonna matter how many 40 yard plays Harvin rips when we get intercepted multiple times.
