Saunders is on the saints and had a 99 yard kick return (oddly enough didn't score) but i'm guessing he showed some promise at least as a returner - wouldn't know it by the awful punt returning he did for the Jets just prior to being cut.
Bridgewater wasn't drafted until the end of round 1. He was ok. And didn't start until Cassell was injured. The Jets didn't draft him because they had a similar developmental Qb. And Geno had looked better their last 4 games. It would have been stupid to draft Teddy and cast away Geno after only one season. Plus they signed Vick for vet insurance. Again show me the stats on all of these impact receivers drafted after round 3. Guys who had breakout seasons and are better than Amaro. Just one more point. Going into 2014 the Jets had less depth at tight end than wide receiver. They had re-signed Cumberland and Sudfeld. Sorry front runners you can't look back and draft only the good players after the fact. This draft got a B. And the players selected were considered good prospects and selections at the time. McD was considered by some a reach but only because of injury. Idzik was not a chickenshit. He took chances and risks and got burned doing it. But his game plan for rebuilding was solid. He did try to sign the best FA corner (after signing the best FA Wr) and thought they had a deal but the Colts re-signed their own player. If Davis had signed with the Jets I doubt the record would have been any better. But the Rex apologists like Mehta, etc wouldn't have had any excuses other than shitty coaching.
Again with this bullshit. It was a mirage--Geno was AWFUL all year and those last 4 games he was just slightly LESS awful. And your're right--he's the reason we didn't draft Teddy. And why Idzik will always get a big fat FUCK YOU from me. You know what Teddy's BIGGEST plus is? It's also Geno's biggest minus. Their brains. I wish I could find the interview or clip--someone said it perfectly--Teddy's biggest strength is figuring out what's happening the time period 5 seconds before the snap and 3 seconds after the snap. _
I'm not defending Geno but not ready to throw him out on the curb-yet. But don't give me this bullshit on how good Teddy was. He was better than Geno which isn't saying much. And I'm not defending Idzik either. If he can't defend himself then fuck him. 18 words to the press and that's it. Just tired of irrational Jets fans who are pissed and have to put their blame somewhere. Fuck them.
You lost me with that statement. It's never stupid to draft a good QB.. you can always have the 2 QBs battle it out for the job. What IS stupid though is to pass on a good QB that fell in your laps when the QB you have sucks. That's the kind of decision making that causes Front Offices & Coaching staffs to be cleaned out. Hence the organization decision to clean out practically every member of the front office and coaching staff associated with such decisions here.
You don't carry two developmental Qbs. Maybe a third Qb on the practice squad. On the active roster: one vet and one developmental guy. So you don't select Teddy unless you think he's a can't miss which he isn't.
A different story with Mariota. I would draft him. Start one of them. If not I'd go this year with Geno and a vet.
Teddy is already a 64% passer in the league and had a positive TD to INT ratio with WORSE talent than Geno ever had. Teddy was BETTER as a rookie than Geno was IN HIS SECOND FULL YEAR IN THE LEAGUE. Teddy is MILES better than Geno already and if not for (i) that sham of a mirage of a fake 4 legendary games and (ii) a completely clueless GM needing to legitimize his awful selection--we'd have our franchise QB and we'd be talking about taking Cooper or a massive pass rushing OLB/DE or an anchor tackle. Now we're debating whether we can surround a flawed player with MORE talent and bringing in a jag journeyman QB as competition in the hopes we can make Geno average. Fuck John Idzik. Our QB was THERE for us. Don't call me irrational when I was talking about this BEFORE the fact. Fuck John Idzik with a 14 inch strap on. _
So you're saying to cut Geno then. Ok. He sucks and will always suck. So why not cut our losses. I don't agree. But Teddy is so far better than Geno. True story.
Could not agree more. Mel should have said: "Great draft by the Jets! Unfortunately the rest of the team sucks so these draft picks probably will too"
It's a sad story with plenty of angles to hang bitterness onto but I can't blame Idzik for Teddy too much and the same goes for the Geno selection. The guy was an incompetent snake oil salesman but a GM needs to draft their QB and Geno was the one that slid year one so he took a stab. He didn't perform but showed some signs of life at times and Teddy was sliding down every board only one year later. A guy that just got hired isn't going to be quick to burn his first QB move after one year and some hope of success. It would've shown weakness and incompetence, both qualities of course being Idzik's two greatest strengths, but it also could've backfired badly if Teddy didn't work out as every potential team had already decided was too likely by passing. I liked Teddy too but find little fault on Idzik there. Plenty to go round everywhere else though.
Honestly I would of bet anything that Teddy was going top 5 I was shocked he slid that far and couldn't believe we passed on em for a strong safety, HaHa Dix I would have understood but we had a roster full of Strong Safeties and we drafted another one.
Hard to justify the pick in hindsight but that pick smells of Rex and he had his choice of Dix and anyone else and went with Pryor. On the one hand you could effectively argue that he doesn't have a great track record picking and developing DBs but rather utilizing developed ones. But on the other hand picks like Richardson, Wilkerson even Davis for a third rounder have the same fingerprints on them so that's the price you pay for having 2 of the top 10 DL in the game. Bridge water would've been a reach in the first considering Geno and you certainly can't trade back with 12 picks so there wasn't a viable way to get him without trading up from the 2nd round pick and Idzik obviously didn't have the brains or balls to entertain something like that. Clearly Pryor wasn't the pick there from this vantage point, but it wasn't Teddy either without perfect hindsight and whatever rationale that went into favoring Pryor was the same rationale that got Richardson picked a year before.
I never said anything about cutting Geno. Cheap QB going into his second year on his rookie contract. We passed up a franchise QB for a flawed player, a second rounder no less. Criminal. _
Yes, below average but serviceable. (I'll remind you I was a proponent of drafting Aboushi in the mid rounds). But 2 seasons and one semi hit in the draft on the Oline. Coupled with inept free agent signings and the Jets wound up with an O-line that essentially with two exceptions was essentially backups on most any other team. Yes Aboushi and a couple others could improve, and I have faith that Aboushi will. But with Brick on the downslide at best by the time Aboushi is above average there will still only be 2 plus O-linemen surrounded by negatives. Lack of vision of the bigger and long term picture. Head coaches job is to look at only the current season, a GM's job is to look at the current season and the next few seasons. I don't fully blame Idzik. He wasn't the first choice, he wasn't a personnel guy. But he kept the previous scouting department and, unless Woody dictated the previous scouting department be kept, that's on Idzik. And if that was a condition of the job he should have declined it.
The best team sports athletes have that skill. Coupled with physical tools you get a great athlete. Seeing things that are going to happen...before they happen....often times before the people around them know what they are going to do themselves. Geno prolly does not have this element. That's where Idzik missed Geno. Yet his running skills show a little of that instinct. It's possible with time and confidence he could cultivate that. But I wouldn't count on it Watch him in the passing game...he has to stare down everything he does...to trust it. Then it's too late. It sucked watching Tedy zoom right past him...It's a bitch
