It's not a pay cut. That's absurd. He would understand that he's getting the same money over the life of the deal, he's just getting it earlier in the deal rather than later, which is better for him. He has the money now rather than having to wait for it and can invest it and be earning interest on it. Also, in getting most of the money up front, if he suffers a major or career-ending injury or his level of play falls off a cliff he's already received most of the money. In the type of contract you suggest, if he suffered a major injury and/or his play fell off a cliff, the Jets could cut him or force him to take a pay cut, and he could lose most of the money in the deal. Only a moron would have a problem with the type of deal to which TonyMac refers.
You are missing the point. In year three he already has the money for the first two years in his pocket. The remaining salary / roster bonus is less than he is worth per year. He can hold out for more money and get it even if we have to trade him to make it happen. In that event we overpaid him for two years and lost him anyway.
No, I'm not. I see what you're saying, and it's a risk, but a small one imo. IMO, you're the one who is missing the point. Yes, in year three he may be getting paid less than what he's worth, but in the first two years, he's getting a lot more than he's worth. It balances out. A $60 million deal is a $60 deal. Whether he gets most of the money in the first two years or the last two years shouldn't make a bit of difference to him. By getting most of the money up front, the team is showing a lot of respect for him and trust in him, and he is protected against a major injury. Wilkerson isn't Revis. He isn't a greedy asshat. I don't think he would hold out for more money, when he's already been overpaid for the first two years of the deal and he realizes that if he suffers a major injury, he's already gotten his money and doesn't have to worry about losing it. If he does the deal the way you say, and suffers a major injury which makes him a lesser player or a career-ending injury, he could get cut or forced to take a pay cut and never see most of the money of that contract. How would he feel then?
I don't "hate" Idzik... He simply was a man in waaayyyy over his head and he never should have been in charge of a marquee NFL franchise like the NY Jets. Also, he proved he never had an eye for talent. To be honest, I wish we had originally brought him in as a CAP guy...but it is what it is.
He's our best player. Without a doubt. That vikings OT showed who really gives a fuck the most on this team. and it was him. one of the biggest guys on the field..haul assing for his life after that guy as he ran for a TD. WHERE WAS EVERYONE ELSE?! Somewhere tanking! lol!
Sheldon Richardson...Sheldon Richardson...Sheldon Richardson...and Dee Milliner etc might end up being pretty good.
Before the contract is signed the player would absolutely prefer to get the money upfront to waiting for the money at the back end. Once you have overpaid for the first two years you fully expect to get the last two years on the cheap because it was fairly bargained from the beginning. From the player's perspective that money was already spent. They played hard, won games, made plays, risked their life and health for that money. What they know is that their talent is worth $10 mil per year and now in the last two years of the contract you are only paying them $7 mil for that same hard work and risk to their health. Unless you have a contract extension of some other carrot to give them they will most likely hold out or demand a trade to get the money that they are worth at that point in time. Sure Richardson is not greedy like Revis but these men are all being paid millions to play a kids game. If they enjoy what they do perhaps they should all give the money back and just be happy with the fame and the chance at greatness. The lesson here is that a fool and his money were lucky enough to get together in the first place. The best we can do is give one or more roster bonuses instead of signing bonus so that the cap hit will be roughly the same each year instead of the usual backloading.
Everybody is not Darrelle Revis. That's the flaw in your thinking. Some guys will sign a front-loaded deal and then fulfill it. The Jets mechanism for dealing with Revis was supremely flawed. We kept giving him upfront deals with years in the backend that were low for cap purposes. Once we did that once and he successfully held out we should have never gone back to that type of arrangement again. The injury in 2012 was the only thing that prevented another holdout in my opinion.
Teams restructure contracts as time goes on. Give him more guaranteed money, extend the yrs or bonuses - the Jets will have options. We give him the respect of the front-loaded deal in the first 2 years of the extension. These 2 years we should be gathering talent via the draft which essentially isn't all that much compared to the past in regards to salary $$$. Gone are the days of the Sam Bradford draft contracts. If we are "overpaying" him during our rebuilding years then, I don't think it will be all that bad, he deserves the cash - he's our most versatile defender. Sheldon will be paid top dollar in 2017 by the NYJs. At that time, the front-loaded portion of Wilkerson's contract should already end. By then, hopefully we are winning games. Wilkerson is a class-act in my opinion, I know he wants to see his boys get paid too.
Not sure why we couldnt easily sign both Mo and Richardson to long term deals in the future, they are probably the only great players we have on the team. The guy that is not worth overpaying is Snacks. He is very good, but doesn't need elite money. Ellis is also very solid as an interior d-lineman and should be much cheaper.
No way. Ellis is a decent interior lineman with no star potential who makes very few if any high impact plays. Snacks is a very good interior lineman who makes a couple of high impact plays every game and who has the potential to be the best NT in the business. He's a player the Jets will regret not locking up if they let him get away. It's hard to find really good interior linemen. If it takes 20-25M to lock him up for 4 years the Jets should do it. Rex will grab him so fast and we won't be able to run against the Bills and Rex will lock down the passing game and that will hurt for years.
I think you want to leave cap room available for flexibility. Unless you have a team primed to win a SuperBowl there is no reason to be capped out IMO.
I am not sure Sheldon has not already passed Will. Did not think Will was great this year. I certainly do not want to give him really big money. I see too many winning teams who play 3-4 with good or very good lineman and win.
Not if he holds out because the Jets and he can't come to an agreement before TC begins, unless the Jets have offered him a reasonable deal and he is asking for a lot more (akin to Revis $16 million per year). If he signs a deal like TonyMac suggests where the contract is frontloaded and he's making a lesser amount in the last couple of years of his deal, then complains because he isn't making what he's worth in the last year or two of his deal (after he has already been paid), then yes.
If you can lock up all 3 of those guys then you do that. I don't know if that is going to be possible. If all 3 want money at the very top end of the range for their position we're going to be lucky to keep 2 of them and Richardson needs to be one of the two.
You could be right. I can see no reason why the Jets wouldn't give Mo a healthy chunk of the contract as guaranteed. He doesn't dog it. He's an excellent player and teammate. As part of showing that they respect him and want him to stay a Jet his whole career, I see no reason why the Jets shouldn't guarantee a good percentage of his contract, if not most of it.
That's the right trade off for reasonable compensation. You actually need to buy insurance to cover the guaranteed amounts and that impacts the salary cap since it's considered part of the deal, however if a player gets injured and can't play football moving forward and the policy is invoked you get cap relief in the amount the policy pays. It is considered a refund from the player against the cap. This doesn't help in one year injury scenarios but it does help if the player is injured and no longer able to play football. It doesn't help at all if the player loses his form and is no longer worth the money but Mo Wilk is one of the last players you'd expect that to happen too.
