2014-15 NCAA Basketball Thread

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  1. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    According to you on COUNTLESS times, Duke has the worst coach in college basketball and constantly recruits overrated players. Did you change your mind?
     
  2. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    coming from the guy w/ the most mental issues on the board I take that as a compliment.

    UF and FSU has not been a great rivalry over the past 10-15 years. when UF has been great FSU has been down, when FSU has been great UF has been down. the best rivalry on CFB for about 20 years was FSU and Miami and now that rivalry is nothing b/c UM is terrible.
     
  3. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    show me where I have ever said that? why do you always make things up when you have nothing? don't confuse my "hatred" of the Coach w/ anything else.
     
  4. joe

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    Oh I know about the history of North Carolina basketball, from Frank McGuire, through Henry Seawright and little Manhattan College kicking North Carolina and Charlie Scott's ass (prompting Dean Smith to right that wrong by scheduling a Manhattan game when the Jasper president pretty much gutted the team in favor of ramped up academic standards--since corrected), all the way up to and including their beating up Mary Willingham.

    And I more than know UNC's "on-the-backs-of-NY'ers" success. But that does not make them anything more than what they are: an out-of-region North Carolina taxpayer-funded institution. Sorry but dem's the facts.

    That's ok, you don't like the Big East and instead you like some out-of-region conference. Me, my mileage differs; I'm just not one of those "Dallas Cowboy fan" types. Me, I support my local sheriff figuratively-speaking. :p
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    so who in Antartica do you like?
     
  6. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    I'm basing this on the fact that in 10 years on this board, I have never heard you say one positive thing about that coach.
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I dislike him as a coach and I dislike his program. I have said many times he is an all time great coach, I don't like how he does it but that doesn't take away from being an all time great coach.
     
  8. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    Bullshit - the man is the anti-Christ to you. You constantly root against Duke in the NCAA Tournament regardless of their conference affiliation. You were just as giddy as I was when Villanova blew them out in the Sweet 16 in 2009.




    STILL the best Video on YouTube BTW :)
     
  9. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    what does that have to do w/ him being a great coach or not? I will always root against him and duke, I have a hard time rooting for the Olympic team w/ him. I loved when you guys crushed them then when Carolina crushed 'Nova 2 games later en route to the Nat'l title:D
     
  10. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    That's amazing: He doesn't even qualify as an american to you.

    And I am honest enough to admit UNC absolutely crushed Villanova in the Final Four game. Tom O'Neil stole the Sweet 16 game from Villanova and handed it to UNC.
     
  11. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    I swear to God, I'm just waiting for junc to tell me what a legendary player JJ Redick was.
     
  12. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I despise everything about K when it comes to basketball.

    Tom O'Neil and his crew kept the game close in 2005, you should be thankful to him for that.

    I can admit when people/teams I don't like are good. w/ that said Redick was highly overrated. Great foul shooter, great at kicking out his legs to get foul calls, not great when his team needed him most.
     
  13. joe

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    The Penguins, just not the Cindy Crosby kind.........although you can't beat hockey 'live'
     
  14. joe

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    Who are you, Philip Nolan?!! It's bad enough that you don't like our regional collegiate basketball teams (including New York City's) but you have a "hard time" rooting for your own country unconditionally?

    Villanova's spent $237,865 on recruiting.
    North Carolina $834,948.
    source: Frank Fitzpatrick, Philadelphia Inquirer

    'Crush' those numbers : )
     
  15. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I don't think those #s are accurate, I actually have the figures at home. some years it is higher than others and Carolina recruits across the Country, I would assume 'Nova mostly recruits Philly and the NE.
     
  16. joe

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    You were bragging about the 2009 season - this article is from 2009. The last two lines in the article (as with the article) have been quoted verbatim.



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    'Nova is Final Four's smallest sports spender
    By Frank Fitzpatrick, Inquirer Staff Writer
    Posted: April 02, 2009
    In the cash-strapped context of the Big Five, it's not surprising that Villanova has been the only Philadelphia team to reach the Final Four since 1980.
    The Wildcats, who will play North Carolina in a national semifinal Saturday night, spent $4.9 million on men's basketball last season. That was $2 million more than St. Joseph's, $1.9 million more than Temple's, and nearly seven times what Penn spent.
    But nationally, where Division I-A football schools tend to dominate in basketball as well, the Wildcats' appearance in Detroit this weekend is something of an oddity. Of the 40 Final Four teams since 2000, Villanova is only the fifth without a football team in one of the six Bowl Championship Series conferences.
    Its expenses and revenues, for men's basketball and for all sports, were dwarfed by those reported by Michigan State, North Carolina, and Connecticut.
    In the 2007-08 season, the Wildcats' men's basketball program earned $5.8 million, according to figures filed with the U.S. Department of Education. That included ticket sales, TV revenue and fund-raising.
    With $4.9 million in expenses - including coach Jay Wright's salary (an estimated total package of more than $1.5 million) and scholarships - Wildcats basketball turned a profit of nearly $1 million.
    But men's basketball is Villanova's only money-maker. To balance its $23.9 million sports budget, the athletic department required a subsidy of $13.9 million from the university.
    That's not unusual for schools like Villanova. Red-ink sports budgets are the norm at institutions that don't play Division I-A football - and even at most that do.
    According to the Knight Commission, a college-sports watchdog, 90 percent of Division I-A athletic programs lost money in 2004-05 and required, on average, university subsidies of $7.1 million.
    While Villanova is a basketball member of the Big East and shares in the conference's annual $22 million TV contract, its football team competes in the Division I-AA Colonial Athletic Association. Multimillion-dollar football deficits and university subsidies are commonplace for CAA members
    Villanova's numbers might sound impressive, but its athletic finances are minor league compared to its Final Four competitors.
    Michigan State spent $6.8 million on basketball last season, $45 million on its sports programs. Coach Tom Izzo's base pay is $1.79 million, but, like most of his colleagues, he earns additional income from sources such as TV and radio shows and shoe companies. Izzo also received $9.8 million in bonuses after signing a new deal several years ago and, as a result, in 2006 earned more than $7 million.
    For North Carolina, the numbers were $6.7 million for basketball and $61 million overall. Coach Roy Williams' base salary is believed to be $2 million.
    For Connecticut, a fellow Big East Conference member but one that plays Division I-A football, they were $6 million for basketball and $54.6 million overall. Coach Jim Calhoun earns base pay of $1.6 million.
    Villanova's listed football revenue was $4.2 million. But, according to Brian Murray, an assistant athletic director for business operations, $3.5 million of that came from the university.
    The other three Final Four schools reported huge profits from football, though the lack of precise standards in the federal forms they filed - Equity in Athletics Disclosure Forms - make exact financial comparisons difficult.
    Michigan State athletic officials said that school's sports budget was entirely self-sustained. A Connecticut spokesman said 75 percent of its sports budget came from ticket sales, TV and radio and the conference, while 25 percent was generated by student fees. North Carolina officials did not immediately respond to inquiries.
    Still, even taking some school-to-school fluctuations into account, the Big Ten's Michigan State's listed profit in football alone (nearly $26 million) was greater than the Wildcats' entire sports budget.
    North Carolina of the Atlantic Coast Conference made $7.4 million from football, Connecticut $8.8 million.


    In terms of recruiting budgets, the gaps were just as striking.

    Villanova's athletic department spent $237,865 on recruiting, Michigan State $744,715, Connecticut $766,357, and North Carolina $834,948

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  17. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    you didn't mention which season it was from. Carolina had recruits coming in from California among other places so the budget was high that season. Is that why Carolina humiliated 'Nova in the FF?
     
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    $834,948. That translates to roughly 65K they are giving to, excuse me, spending on recruiting each scholarship athlete. You can buy a lot of Nike shoes with that
     
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  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    speaking of JJ Redick. he was warned about this move by the NBA, a move that helped duke win yesterday. A move college officials continue to fall for.

     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    difference btw recruiting budget is more than made up for in compensations for coaches. $597, 083 was budget difference, Roy makes $661, 387 less than Jay Wright.



    http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach
     

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