The other thing is guys like 'The Hawk' Kiper don't have the resources or the access that the teams do. Plus the media has to get their info out early for the public. The teams are doing interviews, and Pro Days, and workouts, and background, 'til right before draft day. It's not an exact science. Besides, McShay's better than him anyway, lol.
I can't kill them for taking Pryor at #18. That still could end up being a good decision. It's also hard to get on them for a 6th round pick at WR, but Saunders looked like a very limited player and a reach from day one and Evans looked totally lost from the beginning of camp. Taken together and with three draft picks and such issues at WR, you've got to get one contributor as a rookie at least. Those guys showed nothing. But despite my limited hope and expectation for Evans and Enunwa, you are right: it's been a year and the jury is still out on Evans and Enunwa. It'd be a nice surprise if one of them made the team and contributed next year. It's in for Saunders though.
You have a choice in drafting your no. 1 selection. The Jets had weaknesses in the secondary and decided the draft value of Pryor (and the need) was over the available Wrs. Plus again they signed the best available FA Wr in Decker. Did things work out-NO. But the plan was ok. As for Saunders. He's not a bust. The Saints will tell you that.
I don't care about the Saints. Idzik wildly fucked up this draft. 12 picks and he could have drafted his franchise QB AND a massive playmaking WR. He got neither. Rather, he got absolute shit. _
A good number of those picks were compensatory picks and lower level selections (and untradeable). There was no way 12 guys were going to make the team. As it is now the only guy not presently on an NFL roster is Tajh Boyd, Rex's selection. 3 guys who were cut are on other teams active rosters. His draft was a C or a C+ but not the F- you say it was.
Would anyone want to hook up the non-ESPN Insider section of the board and copy and paste the article?
And as for supposedly "franchise" Qbs in the 2014 draft. Not one guy drafted in the first round has proven to be a franchise Qb yet: Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Carr. All of their teams had poor records esp. the Raiders. I saw Carr play: lots of mistakes and not a franchise Qb (yet). And his team led by him couldn't regularly move the ball. Wide receiver: most of the complaints by fans were on the secondary. Idzik's two Jets no. 1 picks were Dbs. His third selection the one he got in a good trade for Revis turned out to be the best player of the 2013 draft. Horrible drafting-not really.
OK then. His second round draft pick was a playmaking tight end. A position they're weak at. You can't get them all and still too early to adequately grade. And remember at that time: Geno was coming off of a good last quarter of the 2013 season. It looked like he had the talent to be a starting Qb (not a franchise Qb). Franchise QBs: there aren't many. You can't tell me Carr and Teddy are franchise Qbs. They were ok not great in 2014. I have no regrets not drafting them.
The BIGGEST snow job in the history of Jets revisionist history. He wasn't "good" those 4 games, he sucked LESS than he sucked the rest of the year. He was 58% for under 199 yards a game in a dumbed down gameplan. He just didn't give the ball away like it was Easter Candy. Can we please stop sugar coating what those games were? Oh what next, he had the second highest rating over that span other than PEYTON FREAKING MANNING?!? Oh, and what about his PERFECT game to end last year?!? He had a zero point zero earlier in the year. Stop. Going out for a walk, will address your Teddy/Carr points later. But you're wrong _
Of course you're talking after the fact. It's always easier to do it that way. When you know how the guys performed. But when the Jets drafted: they got above average grades. PS as a rookie Qb Geno in his last 4 games was ok with fewer turnovers and Ws. Same goes for 2014. What he gave you is exactly what you want short of a franchise Qb: being efficient, holding onto the ball, and winning games.
Who's this massive playmaking WR your talking about? If we went Teddy or Carr who probably didn't grade out too much higher than Geno the year before, we would've had to wait til the 2nd for WR. Davante Adams and Jarvis Landry were there in the 2nd but Amaro was projected to go late first and was arguably top rated pass catcher, just happened to be his position was TE. We still got good value. Idzik could've saved a lot of face, maybe his job, if he traded up for Landry before he fell to the Phins at 63. No doubt just from his rookie year it's looking like we missed out on the Pryor pick. That said he's still a nice piece with potential moving forward. Sucks we chose him over Carr, Benjamin, Bridgewater and Clinton-Dix. I'm just not sure those were the guys we were even targeting. A lot of posters draft night would've taken Dennard, Manziel or Cooks at that spot, whom Pryor has as good of a chance of being successful in this league as. Especially if he meshes well with former safety, Todd Bowles. Idzik deserves a D+ for this draft with a chance of bumping into a C- if Amaro and Pryor turn into solid starters. Lots of teams whiffed this year, we didn't have one of the better 2014 drafts but there were worse. We've had just as bad under Tanny and Bradway. Hopefully Mac is ready for this years draft we're in a great spot and we need to draft the right guys.
Lol wow that guys missed more times then a blind pitcher throwing a baseball.He's the Incacerated Bob of the NFL
There were two elite recivers in that draft that the Jets were interested in according to press reports before the draft: Sammy Watkins and Beckham who had a hammy in training camp and who some front runners were already calling a bust. It turned out he was the best player in the draft.
He played better at the end of this season to,Means nothing to me .He isn't a franchise qb its not even a discussion,I hope the new GM is smart enough to not fall for that like Idzik
Ok then where is your franchise Qb coming from. 90% of guys drafted even overall number 1s are not franchise Qbs. I'm not even sure that Geno can be a decent starter. He hasn't even proven that yet.
I disagree that the plan was ok. It was one of the best and deepest WR drafts in history. Even with Decker, the Jets had a screaming need at WR and they screwed the pooch. Then they wasted a year of Pryor's development playing him out of position because they didn't address the FS position. The plan was fucked up plain and simple, just like Idzik and Rex are clueless fuckups.
There were plenty of other excellent WR prospects in that draft. If it's true that the Jets were only interested in Watkins and Beckham, then they are all FOOLS and should have all been fired. Just further proof that they didn't have a clue what they were doing. Hopefully, the rest of the Scouting Dept. goes after the draft.
If Beckham or Watkins had been available according to reports the Jets would have taken them. The Jets secondary might be surprisingly good next season. They were laying the groundwork for it until hit with injuries. Also they did sign Percy Harvin who played well. The reason they got him late: he wasn't available earlier in the year.
