I disagree with this. Gone are the days where you pay a guy like Jamarcus Russell 61 million dollars over 6 years with 32 million guaranteed (wow, I had forgotten how crazy that contract was). I took a look at last years top 6 draft pick and their contracts. 1- Clowney (4yr/22.72 mil) 2- Robinson (4yr/21.28 mil) 3- Bortles (4 yr/20.6 mil) 4- Watkins (4yr/19.94 mil) 5- Mack (4 yr/18.67 mil) 6- Matthews (4 yr/16.43 mil) These number will probably change somewhat but we can get a pretty good idea from that. None of those contracts are awful. At most, you're looking at 5.68 mil a year, if we stay at 6, it'll be right around 4.1 mil a year. I'm paying Mariota anywhere in that ballpark if I think he could be our franchise QB.
No wonder nobody ever wanted to keep high picks esp. the overall no. 1. But the money is still huge. I'd rather draft further back pay less and get more picks.
They may very well do fine under Gailey. I don't know and can't say for sure, but I highly doubt it. It's all going to come down to how they grade Mariota, and hell even Winston for that matter. If they feel that they are worth the 6th pick or even a trade up then go for it, although in the latter scenario I would rather get Mariota. You say we have needs at other positions, and I agree, but you're failing to see that our biggest need is a QB who isn't a TO machine. Is Mariota that guy? I think so. I guess we will find out whether Mac and Co. agree with me in the next few months.
in the jets cluster of an offense geno managed 1,001 yds 6td 2int and a 104.4 rating in his final four games I understand that he is inconsistent and he had a huge game in Miami but if he was able to do that with MM.. I think gailey COULD do wonders with geno. I would rather geno than a rookie qb. at least geno has some sort of NFL experience. Bring in a vet to compete with him. whoever starts at qb needs to just limit turnovers make smart reads and play smart. it is proven it will work with gailey. he doesn't need the next brady, Rodgers, manning, ect. to be successful. that is why I m sayin we have bigger needs that qb. we are better off addressing that with number 6 pick
Keep in mind we're going to have, at least, 40 mil in cap space this offseason. Paying a QB prospect between 5.6-4.1 million dollars a year is nothing if you think he's your QB of the future.
This sounds familiar, I think I've heard it before. Yeah, it was called offseason last year. That's what you want to do, put MORE playmakers around a low football IQ QB so we can get him to mediocre rather than awful. Good plan. _
The only system he could play right now in is Chip Kelly's. Maybe Gailey could develop a spread system around him, but I think the way to get the best out of him is to take a year to acclimate him to the pro game. We've seen what happened when SF went from the read-option to forcing Kaep to be a pocket passer this year. And it seems like more defenses are learning how to defend read-option offenses now.
Let me ask you this then, do you think that the Jets will be ready to compete for the Lombardi trophy next season? If so, your thought process makes perfect sense. However, I do not agree with that train of though. I think the Jets are a few years away from, realistically, competing for a championship. With that in mind, I say draft your QB this year(if you think he's your guy), let him sit for this year, maybe play him in the last 2-3 games just to see what you have. Then build around him even more so next offseason and who knows? Maybe then we'll be ready to make some noise and possibly even be in the playoff hunt.
or use that money on getting the best players possible at OLB, corner, oline, RB, (spiller) WR (depending on harvin) and play smart football/little turnovers with geno or a vet QB and have a great roster behind them. it doesn't take an elite qb to make it. if you have a great running game great recievers and a stellar defense you just need a game manager that doesn't turn over the ball
personally I do think the jets COULD compete for a championship. we are better off to make a push for it right now than in 2-3 years when mangold and brick are old and falling apart if not gone. when Richardson Wilkerson and guys like that are demanding huge contracts, we are in great position in my opinion we hav a bunch of guys that are young and still playing for cheap.. we need to spend this money, get guys like spiller, Cromartie and an OL draft guys like ray, a solid corner ect. we have the money and foundation already to put amazing talent behind geno or a vet QB
Sometimes you have to have the balls to buck the trend. Amari is most likely landing in Oakland, reports are Shane Ray is small for his position, but edge rushers are deep so that's a consideration. We know what the three QBs you listed are and it's not a franchise qb. If we get them as stop gap options to draft a Cook or someone next year, fine. But I'd take MM at #6 and develop him. He's got the intangibles and the physical attributes to be successful. He needs to have the edges of his game smoothed out for sure. We'll see though. There's a lot of time between now and the draft to nitpick on all these prospects.
compare Russell Wilson to Tom Brady once. Tom brady wins football games and his team helps. The Seattle Seahawks win football games and Russell Wilson helps. Not takin anything away from Russell or from the pats. But I am sayin Russell doesn't blow you away with his numbers. he is consistent and limits turnovers and allows the talent around him on offense and defense take control of the games and open to door for him to be successful
We've also tried that recently. Sure it reaped some immediate rewards, back-to-back AFC title appearances, but it didn't sustain success for the long term. Look at the playoff teams from this year, what do they have in common? A franchise QB. We can argue all day what a franchise QB is exactly but that's not the point. Pats-Brady Seahawks- Wilson(not elite but still a franchise QB, and could be argued as elite now) Colts-Luck Packers-Rodgers Broncos-Manning Ravens-Flacco(same thing as Wilson) Panthers-Cam(again..Wilson) Cowboys-Romo(yup) Steelers-Roethlisberger(sp?) Lions- Stafford Bengals-Dalton(Ok, Dalton sucks) Cardinals- Whoever it was in that playoff game(they sucked too) You see the pattern? Especially in terms of the teams that made it far this year? Very good to elite QB's led their football clubs. We need one of those QB's, in the worst way possible.
Hah! I expected NOTHING! Here's what I wrote last night: "WhySoSerious488 said: ↑ Agreed with the bolded. This is a complete unknown so far. How do Bowles and Maccagnan view Geno Smith? They are clearly going to be asked and they cannot just give a non-answer. Click to expand... Sure they can. "We have a big job ahead of us, we know there are people here who can get the job done and we know there are people here who need to be challenged. We're going to work very hard in the off season to bring the very best players available through free agency and the draft to the New York Jets. Everyone on this team will have to work to prove they are the right people for the job, no one will be getting an automatic starting position on this team. We look forward to building around a well established core to make this team a champion." I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong tomorrow, but I sincerely doubt that will be necessary. Just don't try to tell me I can no longer use the term "Same Old Jets" until you give me reason, and prove it. Check back in December 2016, it'll take at least two years." I just laugh at everybody who goes on and on pointlessly thinking there's going to be some earth shaking revelation at an introductory press conference.
And I would argue that he is a franchise QB. Just not one of the "elite" Qb's in the league. I don't believe a franchise QB has to be Montana, Elway, Peyton, etc.
trust me I am not saying we should just say f*** it and sign a new stopgap qb every year I want a franshise qb as much as you. I do not see one this year. (I do like cook next year, but he will be taken early) But all I am sayin is lets see what gailey can do with geno and a vet FA qb, gailey found a way to win with mediocre qbs his whole coaching career. if he can make geno or a FA qb into a game manager that doest turn the ball over and we spend our money on the best possible players to fill our holes I really think we can win immediately
I never said he wasn't a franchise qb. he really is.. all I am saying his you don't need a montana Elway peyton etc. to win you need a great defense and offense and a qb to make smart decisions. Russell Wilson takes what is given to him and thats what I like
I guess there lies our differences then, I see Mariota as a potential franchise QB. Is he raw? Absolutely. Will he need time to work on some things? Yes, but I see the potential he has and our need for a QB and I say we need to roll the dice on him. I could see Mariota becoming something similar to Wilson in all honesty. He's a smart, mobile QB with a great work ethic(I obviously don't know this personally, just going off of what I've read). Which is exactly what I want out of my QB. Honestly, it sounds like we're basically in the same school of thought we just don't believe the same thing about Mariota.
yeah I agree, if we do draft a qb at number 6 I hope and pray it is mariota though.. lets say both qb's are off the board (I think they will be) what is YOUR approach then? just wondering
That's a hard question to answer at this time haha. Did we let Harvin go? Is Cooper still on the board? If so, take him. Let's say we keep Harvin with a restructured contract, Shane Ray wouldn't be awful but idk about taking an OLB at 6. If neither of those scenarios happen, I wouldn't be opposed to trading down and getting extra draft picks.
