He was inconsistent no doubt - that's not my point, at the end of the game he showed the entire country something - he willed his team to victory despite an off-day. When the chips are down, you see a player's true character. He was amazing on those last drives. Petty runs a great offense with Art Briles whom I believe a lot of people wanted him to be the Jets HC. Petty was balling though no doubt, but again how much is that due to the system and how much of that is due to his ability to read the defense? He's got the same questions as Mariota to an extent. I'm taking Cook each time over Mariota - that's my opinion - that's fine you can disagree. I would take Hackenberg over Mariota too. The foundation to be an NFL QB is already there - from there you build on it and watch them grow and develop. Sorry, not a fan of watching Mariota from the bench for a season or 2 - rather get an impact player if need be. Just not sold on him - he's a nice kid (a little too quiet - I wonder if he's got that fire), if we get him I will root like hell but I'm not overly impressed - the league has shutdown spread offense QBs.
He was AWFUL in those last drives- the dude missed wide open guys at least 3-4 times and he threw 2 balls that Kyle Wilson would have picked off. Don't be fooled by the end result--he was bad in that game. Petty was by FAR the better QB. So it's all about the foundation with you--what a kid has experienced as a 20 year old is more important than the other half dozen things Mariota is better at. That's fine. Btw, I really want to like Cook and I'll be watching him a lot this year. I'd like to see him complete 65% of his passes this year--it is after all college. Hackenberg looks like he's going to be a massive bust. So overhyped. I am shocked that anyone would claim to like him over Mariota. I think Cardale Jones will be a MUCH better player. _
If you're 100% sold on Mariotta and he is available -- take him! There is not enough picks in the world to give away a true franchize QB. I have my doubts re Mariotta and so I'd take the picks.
No. Foles is still a question mark, in my book = 1 shot at franchize QB. So in essence you're offering 2 shots at QB for 6th pick. You need to give me at least 4 shots to get me interested.
It comes down to the game of chances, isn't it? 1st rounder -- 50% chance, 2nd rounder -- 25% chance, 3-4th -- 10-15%, etc. You want one shot @ 50% expected success ratio; I want more shots at a lower ratio. You and I are really advocating the same thing, and disagree only about which path gives you higher chance of success.
I agree, but in terms of finding a TRUE franchise QB, I'd say the odds are closer to 1st round 50%, 2nd rounder 5% and 3-7 rounder 1%. Tom Brady has forever become the red herring in this discussion. _
And not to beat a dead horse--not all 1st round QBs are created equal. EJ Manuel was a STUPID first round pick, so he's bringing down that 50% average. Tim Tebow? I think Mariota and Winston are closer to 80%--but that's just because I love the two guys. _
Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute. I was massively Teddy numero uno from 2 years ago and Carr as my clear cut huge number 2. I always admitted Manziel was a wild card but I would have rolled the dice on him--would have been entertaining. And Mettenberger. Be fair in your characterizations. To be true, I wanted ANY QB at that point but I was always high on that entire class. _
Cook made the plays he had to make on the last few drives, extend the drives. Again, it wasn't perfect but what I liked from Cook was the ability get the ball into tight windows. He was confident in his arm to make the throws needed to win. He was inaccurate, but I believe that can be fixed with coaching. Petty was the better QB that day, but he's not a better pro prospect then Cook IMO. That game winning TD throw was right on the money. I was impressed that he was able to bounce back and lead his team to victory. What the kid knows prior to the draft is very important to me, that's why I prefer pocket passers that can operate in the pocket - if they are mobile then fine. I look at the # of attempts Mariota ran the ball, he's not that type of QB. Can he make the throws in tight windows? How confident is he in his arm to make those throws? Mariota's got potential but the kid misses a lot of throws down the middle and deep down the field. Can he make the throws where he's anticipating and throwing to a spot? I would like to seem this more on tape (I like to use Draftbreakdown.com), but I haven't see him exhibit this ability. If he can improve on those things I mentioned, he's going to be a great QB. He'll be the right handed Steve Young. I will have no issue eating crow if he does this for the Jets. I don't see Cook being a 65% completion passer right now - I'm glad he stayed in school because he still needs work - he's improved every year as a QB in college. I think Hackenberg from Freshman YR is the true Hackenberg, not the Sophmore YR version where he had no running game, awful coaching and a bad offensive line. This YR will be a big year for him - otherwise he's going to drop big time.
You're wearing Spartan green colored glasses. On those last drives, Cook missed a bunch of throws into wide open windows and nearly threw 2 picks that would have clinched the game for Baylor. That he got extra shots at the endzone says less about him and more about the level of competion he was playing. And he wasn't playing pro defenses, he was playing a Baylor team that gave up 40 points to Texas Tech and WVU. Look, I'm going to root for him big time this year because I don;t think we're getting my top 2, so if he's there for us next year I'll pull hard for him. But he is nowhere--IMHO-- near the talents Mariota and Winston and Teddy and Carr were going INTO their last years (or even 2 years). He's just not. By the way, I'm not sleeping on Petty. That dude could end up being a gunslinger. _
I love Mariota, I think he is going to be a star, but I'm no scout. If Chip Kelly loves him and is willing to give up the 3 1sts for him plus other picks that just confirms my belief that he will be a star and I'm running to the podium if he makes it to six. Get your QB, build around him.
