It's the offseason and I was thinking about our current QB situation. Then started thinking about the last few years QB situation...then found myself in the 80's thinking about our QB situation which lead me to the question. Are we the most QB deprived franchise over the past 30 years? I would say we are definitely in the discussion and at/near the top. I started listing QBs that were better (or at least who I thought were better) than any QB we have had for a decent length of time (Favre would not count since he played less than full season here.....same with Vick. Plus these guys were beyond their prime by the time they got to us.) I see the Browns, Tampa, Texans and the Chiefs as being in the conversation. Sadly the Texans are a very new franchise and Cleveland lost the team for almost a decade which really brings us into the competition with Tampa and the Chiefs. Our luck HAS to change, right? We need to find our franchise QB over the next 5 years and I hope we do. Going through and Using CURRENT Divisions AFC East Pats - Brady, Bledsoe Miami - Marino Bills - Kelly Jets - Testaverde, Pennington, O'Brien AFC North Ravens - Flacco Steelers - Big Ben Browns - Kosar Bengals - Boomer, Palmer AFC West Chargers - Rivers Chiefs - Green, A Smith (Can't count Montana) Raiders - Gannon, Plunkett Denver - Elway, Manning AFC South Colts - Manning, Luck Texans - Schaub Titans - McNair Jax - Brunell NFC East Giants - Manning, Simms Redskins - Williams, Rypien, Theismann Eagles - Cunningham, McNabb Cowboys - Aikman, Romo NFC North Vikings - Moon, Cunningham Lions - Stafford Packers - Favre, Rodgers Bears - Jim McMahon (sp?), Cutler (IFFY) NFC South Panthers - Newton Saints - Brees Falcons - Vick, Ryan Tampa - Young, Johnson NFC West Seattle - Hasselbeck, Krieg, Wilson 49ers - Montana, Young Rams - Warner, Bulger Cards - Warner
If your gonna add o'brien,testeverde and pennington to the list might as well include Sanchez who had more success then all three of them.Dalton should also be on the Bengals list,This list just doesn't tell the hole story
Looking at the list I see that we had three good QBs without even counting Favre. Most of the other teams only have one or two. Only the Seahaws and the Redskins have as many as us. Not sure why Doug Williams counts for the Skins but Favre and Montana don't count for us and the Chiefs. Kosar (possibly Vinny) should be with the Ravens and not the Browns. The Browns are an expansion team that never had a good QB. Also, Brees should be added for the Chargers. Jim Everett for the Rams. Jawarski for the Eagles. Cutler for the Broncos. Warren Mooon for Titans (Oilers). Johnson to Vikings (would not add Gannon as he did not do much before Oakland). Dan Fouts for Chargers.
should clarify the list......I was listing QBs that I believe to be better than any single QB we have had. Not saying that the collective group of one franchise is better than our collective group. Those listed for each franchise I believe to be better than ours.
Cam Newton is better than O'Brien, Boomer, Vinny, Pennington and Favre? I think not. To date, Jake Delhomme was better than Newton. Steve Young was run out of Tampa. By 1984, Jim Plunkett was done.
If it shows anything, it shows that we've rarely ever had a complete team - QB is the most important piece of the puzzle but not the only one. We've been sadly deficient in O-Line (O' Brien 1986-1988), WR (Sanchez 2012, Smith 2013), prosthetic limbs (Pennington 2000-2005) and the list goes on. It would be nice to have a GM/HC devoted to depth rather than focusing on an elite corps of the team.
Sanchez sucked. It's a team game, so don't credit him with what one of the otherwise most talent laden Jet teams in history accomplished.
I think Anderson misses out due to the last 30 year time frame but Fouts should be there. Fouts played until 1987. Boomer took over for Anderson in 1984.
Sanchez was of course very bad overall, and is not a starting caliber QB, but he played reasonably well in his playoff games. In the postseason, his QB rating is about 20 points higher than his regular season average. 95 rating, 9 TDs, 3 INTs, with a 60% completion rating; that's not too bad. I give him credit for helping us go as far as we did in those playoff runs, as a game manager, even though he was a bad starting QB overall.
Chad Pennington was a very good QB brought low by injuries. If the Jets had run the type of offense the Pats do Chad could have been great also. He doesn't have Brady's arm but nobody in the history of the NFL has been more consistently accurate on short and mid-range passes. Give him a Gronk to throw too and not as many injuries and the Jets go to a Super Bowl at some point.
we never had an elite guy obviously but those guys were pretty good we had, I guess that is why we had some success and not the ultimate success.
With better Qb play IN THE REGULAR SEASON the Jets would not have been playing on the road in the playoffs. We just went through a playoff run leading up to the SB where both top seeds are in the game, and only two teams won on the road (one the Ravens in Pitt, where they have had their problems but against a division opponent finally lucked out, and the other imo due to Manning's injuries, the Colts lucked out). Why do people want to keep making Sanchez into something much better than he actually was? If he was even an average QB in those seasons, the Jets might well have won the SB with those rosters. Yet some here think he was carrying the team on his back to two Champ games. Nonsense.
what games would we have won w/ better QB play? 2009: Buffalo: ok, that's one Atlanta? MAYBE, windy day, defensive game and D let up losing TD in final minutes and we missed multiple kicks so I wuld say no. 1 more win which wouldn't have won division. 2010: Baltimore? maybe but D allowed a million 3rd and longs and allowed Bal to hold bal for 40 mins GB- maybe- again cold and windy, Defensive struggle Mia- maybe but Holmes dropped easy TD in EZ. none for sure. let's give them 2 of the 3, that gets us to 13 wins, NE won 14. so there goes this asinine theory you don't have any clue what you are watching.
That's way too harsh. Your're not counting the Saints game in 2009? Any reason why not? Sanchez KILLED us in that game --- A 99 yard pick 6, a Sanchez fumble for a TD, plus two other INTs. The mighty Saints only scored 10 offensive points at home against our defense. Atlanta and Buffalo are almost guaranteed wins with better QB play. I can't totally blame him for Jax, but he certainly did his share. We had to settle for 3 FGs in the RZ when one TD would have been enough to win. He also threw 2 picks ... Including one on the first play of the game that put us in a 7-0 hole before the seats got warm. I'm not saying we win all of those games, but with better QB play we certainly win two or three. 2009 could have been an 11-12 win season and a division title. Very hard to do with a rookie QB, but it was certainly there for the taking. I agree with you about 2010. As good as we were, we weren't a 14 win team.
he was awful and the main culprit in that Saints game but I'm not sure we beat them w/ a well played game but maybe. Atlanta was a mix Buffalo on Mark Jax on D how do we know we win a few of those other games we won w/ him at QB? we have to factor that into it and then in postseason, supposed much better QBs w/ more talent haven't played as well as he has in postseason sop how do we know we win any games w/ a different QB? we don't, what we do know is he helped us win 4 road playoff games and helped us nearly make 2 SBs also, we get bashed for Indy resting starts in 2009 well NE did the same in week 17. if they needed that game they would have won so while only a game back it was really 2 and I think would have had to win 12 to win that division.
