This is an excellent and germane (not Joe) point to the conversation. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...l-is-qb-u-usc-among-teams-that-can-make-claim
Want to bet? I'd bet you paychecks but I don't think you get one. Loser leaves the board forever. We good? _
This. One of the most bogus arguments (along with "pro-style offense" and "product of a system" and "raw" and "not Andrew Luck") is that said QB came from a school who doesn't produce quality NFL QBs. Like Stamford and Delaware and Tennessee and Cal and Boston College and Miami University (NOT the "U") and Wisconsin and Ole miss and Michigan and Auburn and Eastern Illinois University and Vanderbilt and Purdue and TCU are NFL QB factories. Geezuz stop with this nonesense. _
I can't believe so many are dismissing Mariota due to the offense he ran in college. What about his game doesn't translate to the NFL? The way I see it, he has an NFL quality arm, by all accounts a very good football IQ, all the intangibles it takes to play QB at the next level. As with every prospect not named Luck it will depend on how he is developed but the skills are there to be a very good QB at the next level. You know, something we haven't had in a pretty long time. If he drops to 6 we should be counting our blessings.
Folks here would rather take an inferior talented player at QB because he ran a (lol) "pro-style" offense against 20 year old college kids for a year or 2 rather than taking a far superior talent with a high football IQ and supreme work ethic because they don't think he can learn how to take snaps from center or master a 3-5-7 step drop back as a 21-22 year old. By the time he's 25 he'll be running any offense that'll be asked of him. But let's pass on him because it'd be smarter to take an inferior talent because of a year or 2 of a "pro-style" offense. Against 20 year old college players. Makes no sense. _
So spot on. Kaep has never displayed any touch and does not appear to exhibit 1/10th the smarts of Mariota. _
It's not that his game doesn't translate. It's that people haven't seen him play in a pro style offense. I get the hesitation here with him. I do see him sail some of his throws quite a bit, but I also see him put the ball exactly where it needs to be. Just like every other top QB prospect, there's questions. I mean, look at Peyton. When he was coming out, he was NOT the undoubted #1 QB prospect. Sure, he went #1, and proved to everyone that he should have gone #1. But there were plenty of questions about his arm strength in college. There's no doubt in my mind that Mariota could be a great NFL QB. The problem is how difficult will it be for him to transition from running the Oregon offense to running a pro style offense. There could be a steep learning curve. My bet is that he's up to the challenge and I take him if he's there. But a QB's system absolutely factors in because of the element of the unknown. The offenses could be apples and oranges to what he's doing now. That's not easy for anyone to pick up right away. Just because you play the guitar doesn't mean you're going to pick up a violin and master it in 20 minutes. So the issue would be it could take him longer to pick up the playbook comfortably. That's a legitimate issue for a team that needs a QB. He's a better fit with a team that has a QB or can adapt their offense to him. My thinking is Gailey fits that mold and MM should be the pick if possible. Though, I think it would be hard to argue that Winston isn't more pro ready only because he plays in a pro style offense. There's something to be said for that, but I think 10 times out of 10 you take the better prospect. If the Jets think its MM, great. If they think it's Winston, great. If they think neither are that good, I'm not going to argue that either. I still don't understand why any college team runs a pro style offense unless it's to try to attract NFL caliber talent so they can showcase their ability for the next level and avoid the headache that is projecting someone like Mariota to the NFL without being in an NFL scheme.
The reasons are all over this thread. The offense he ran in college is just 1 of the reasons. I still don't get why people want to throw Andrew Luck into this conversation. It's moronic. it seems to be that the Super Mariota-supporters have selective reading issues ... if the jets draft him great, but they better sit him down and have a long-term plan for him to reach his ceiling. That in itself is a tough process.
I didn't think it until now, but if there's one guy that can implement an offense that would get the best out of a rookie Mariota, I think it'd be Gailey (though I probably also would have said Shanahan). I think his success does hinge on the team he's drafted to, to some degree. At least in the short term. Long term is anybody's guess. I think he's got what it takes to be very successful in the NFL, but he could also flame out in a bad situation.
This is very true. If the Jets believe in Mariota, they should absolutely take him. It's a bad situation to throw him out there wk1 though. If we got Geno v Mariota in training camp then well we are fucked, Mariota prob will win the job. It's all about the plan.
Well, I know I expose myself to insults when I say it, but I feel the same way about Geno with Gailey. If there's someone that's going to get the best out of him, it's Gailey. If the Jets think that they can salvage Geno with Gailey, I'm really not all that opposed. I still think he has the potential to be an average NFL starting QB. I'm by no means saying that he will be. I just think the fan base is extremely reactionary to his first two years. He could still suck, but there's glimpses. At some point, I feel like it could click with him. Again, not saying it will (this is my disclaimer haha).
I was never a huge fan of Geno Smith prior to the draft, but I must say I am intrigued on how Geno fits in this system. Gailey did get Fitzpatrick a 60M dollar deal. Regardless, I don't think he's a starting QB, but he's going to be here next season.
Hahaha I wrote above average at first and backtracked. Can I go back to above average?? I don't know. I'm trying to not look TOO delusional about his potential. I don't have any expectations, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility either.
Chan Gailey got a really really really really shitty QB a $60MM contract. And was subsequently released WITHIN 18 MONTHS and bounced around to 2 more teams and will probably be heading to this third soon. Is that what you want to happen here? _
No, but if Gailey can get Geno to play like a 60 million dollar football player, this is a playoff team IMO.
Sure. Which is why I never said I would give Geno a 60 million contract. I said if he played like a 60 million dollar QB (like Fitzpatrick did that season), than the Jets would be a playoff team.
The Jets were a playoff team in 2009 and 2010. I don't want to prop up a flawed player at the most important position in all of organized sports so that we can squeak into the playoffs at 9-7 to get bounced summarily and to perpetuate more myths about just surrounding this player with more playmakers and a better OC. How about getting a real QB? For once. _
You're tough to deal with bud. You just pester everyone who doesn't agree that Mariota or Winston needs to be drafted or traded up for. I for one dont think Mariota will be a real QB, and Winston has a ton of risks associated with him. I understand you want Mariota/Winston to be the franchise QB. I want a franchise QB too. I dont think Geno is going to be a franchise QB. I dont think Mariota will be a franchise QB. I think Winston has that kind of potential, and I would happily take him if he was there, but NY would more than likely be a bad situation for him considering the media would be down his throat constantly. I just dont think this year is the year to take a QB. Agree to disagree though, you could be right.
