I am glad you enjoyed the Rob Moore-Ken O'Brien years more than the Bradway years. I like to win but I guess some people don't.
Just when I think I'm out, he pulls me back in: Please define "so much" because there's not a single home playoff game on record. "we went and reacquired Coles..." who had been STOLEN BY THE WASHINGTON NFL FOOTBALL FRANCHISE the year before!!! Again, we had two pretty good WRs and then we only had one after each was stolen by the Washington NFL franchise. Basically, 'Skins used the Jets like the Yankees used the Kansas City franchise in the very old baseball days. Lamont was an excellent backup RB, made many plays. So, now we're talking about backups....not a starter...but the backup. Not a starter..not a starter, who was Curtis Martin, but a backup... GTFOuttahere!!
Junc...you have GOT to give it up man. If you are reduced to using Dwayne Robertson as your shining beacon of drafting then we are all in trouble. Now, I will give you that the poor drafting of Dwayne wasn't just on Badway...unless, of course, our doctors DID identify degenerative knees and it was ignored. But to have, in that same draft, Terrell Suggs, Troy Polamalu, Willis McGahee, Dallas Clark, Terence Newman, Marcus Trufant, Kevin Williams, Jordan Gross & Jeff Faine...to name a few...and ALL of them pro-bowlers and at least TWO Hall of Famers go AFTER Dwayne Robertson...yeah...the Jets pulled a....ummm...well...yeah...totally JETS thing to do and draft the one complete failure...strike that...Detroit is with us in their total failure Charles Rodgers. Then again, everyone knows Matt Millen was the worst General Manager of any professional sport....ever...but I digress. Really freakin' sad if you ask me.
Perhaps you'll avoid the cheapest of shots and recognize that I truly meant the Al Toon, Wesley Walker, Ken O'Brien years. But, probably not...And, by the way, I consider the second round of playoffs, the most Terry Bradway won as GM, pretty much the same as the second round of playoffs with Kenny O'Brien under center and a team that probably was the best NY Jets team ever, personnel wise: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/1986_roster.htm Almost ALL of whom were drafted.
again brush up on your history. we lost Coles after 2002 season, we reacquired him after 2004. No team had ever signed a player to an offer sheet w/ that compensation. that was a first. they took a risk and actually won b/c they had drafted Moss and Moss stepped up to the Coles role. backups aren't important? skins used the Jets yet the Jets were the team going to the playoffs every other year so who was smarter?
we can look at every draft and who didn't draft player x, the point is he did a good job here. How did we make the playoffs as often as we did? especially w/ a dynasty team in our division guraneteing we were playing for a WC?
ok so Al Toon years. 1985-1992: 3 playoff apps, 1 playoff win(WC win) this is better than 6 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins, 2 title game apps? You know we made the div round twice under Bradway? even won a div title which those teams never did. so more div titles, more playoff wins, more div rd apps but those days were better b/c of some senseless perception you have about Bradway.
You are 100% correct, sir. To this day I still cannot fathom how a guy like Vilma...former Defensive rookie of the year and a near Pro Bowl level starter...gets traded for a low CONDITIONAL pick which ends up being nothing (literally, the Saints did something to keep the pick). The Jets should gotten at the very least a 3rd and a 5th. Most teams would have sent a 2nd. If you're gonna trade a young productive starter, you HAVE to get the same value in return. Trading Vilma turned out to be huge mistake, because I guarantee he would've been even better under Rex. Instead he helps NO get a ring. Another example was Laverneous Coles. 3rd year receiver just had a breakout year with your young QB...and you let him get signed by another team??? You strike gold with a 3rd round pick and YOU LET HIM LEAVE???? Then to get him back so you have to trade your recent first round pick??? Just terrible, terrible moves by the FO. Makes me sick to even think about it.
From what I remember the Jets couldn't match the backloaded offer sheet that the Redskins put on Coles. They were in cap hell because of the stupid contracts Tuna gave to Vinny and Curtis. Their real mistake was to not give him a first round tender.
Because those teams have a franchise QB, and we do not. It is that simple. It's amazing how much impact a legit top 10 QB has on a team in today's NFL. When you have that position set, you can put other pieces anywhere you like, because a good QB makes everyone else better. Swap Andrew Luck for Geno Smith and watch this same Jets team win 11 games. Even Miami has a guy who just tossed 28 TD's and 4K yds. When was the last time we had THAT? Vinny in '98?
Didn't the Jets a first round pick in return? They had two picks in the first round, which they packaged to move up and get D-Rob. I thought they got the pick from Washington in return for signing Coles.
Yeah your right, they did get a first rounder, not sure what I what remembering. I do know they couldn't afford to match that offer though.
This whole video is crazy to watch. That chick throws the table, but the CATCHES THE FOLDING CHAIR THROWN BACK AT HER WITH HER OFF HAND. Hmm. I wonder what MacCagnan thinks of her?
Perhaps, but the draft is also about depth, inexpensive and talented depth. And as far as 11 of 22 starters, how many of them were good starters? I mean I remember you knocking Shonne Greene a lot and he would be one of those 12 starters. Drafting is not just about starters, it's about good playable depth and a number of starters would have been second stringers on other teams. Reality is what it is.
And who headed the College Scouting department after being GM? who was the one recommending picks and rating picks? Hint, his initial were Terry Bradway.
I'll still take a team with Ken O'Brien (Pro Bowler, most accurate QB in Jets history), Freeman McNeil (Pro Bowler, 1st team all pro), Johnny Hector, Al Toon (Pro Bowler, 1st Team All Pro), Wesley Walker (Pro Bowler), Mickey Shuler (Pro Bowler), Joe Klecko (Pro Bowler at every DL position, 1st team all pro ), Mark Gastineau (Pro Bowler), Marty Lyons, Lance Mehl (Pro Bowler), Jerry Holmes (6 INTs) and the rest over the relative dreck Bradway drafted any day. The players mentioned are the best (or next to the best) Jets ever at their positions...and they were all drafted. Anyway, this was a solid team, from 1982, when it reached the AFC Championship game, until the end of the Coslet era. And, I think there was only ONE Wildcard back then, so not the same as today's watered down playoff system.
Great post mezz That junc poster is retarded Every time I see a dumb post, I look left, and it's that person Sheesh
