So what is it that Idzik did after the draft was over? You never mention what he did from May to December. Yeah, he made the Harvin deal; what else?
A 4 win team, New York Media, relentless fan base, and clueless owner, yeah I would say there are a few candidates that would steer clear of this franchise.
Your logic is that because most of his draft picks didn't contribute now so that meant he drafted poorly. It takes a minimum of 3 years to judge a draft pick. So that logic doesn't work. We were not going to contend for a SB in 2014 so why overspend on FA's just to get bounced in the wild card round at best? Why not develop young talent and when you think you have the foundation you then go out and spend on a player or two that you think could get you over the hump? Maintaining cap flexibility allowed Idzik to go get Percy Harvin to help out the passing game. Cap flexibility was important so that we may have money to pay our homegrown star (Wilkerson) maybe Idzik does things differently if the Jets were in win now mode. But his moves mostly reflected that of a rebuilding team.
So I guess you feel that 95% of the fans, 98% of the analysts, 99% of the media AND 100% of the owner have some silly agenda to remove a good GM and you are a part of the 5% who recognizes true management talent when you see it. I feel you are a part of the 5% who refuses to admit he was wrong. We are pretty far apart on this argument. The only thing that matters is that my side of it won and your side lost. Maybe it is time to give it up and accept reality.
Congratulations on the "victory". This just proves that the Jets will be perennial middle of the road chasing championships with a flawed strategy. Enjoy 8-8 and 9-7 and hoping to sneak in the playoffs as a wildcard.
Could that be any worse than 4-12 or 6-10? From where I sit,we had nothing to lose and everything to gain by changing what wasn't working 4 years running.
The highlighted part is what I think gives a lot of potential candidates pause. Lets not forget some of the highest tax rates in the nation might have a bit to do with it too.
Tanny got 6 years so when we canned him it was understandable. Idzik got 2 years he was brought in to rebuild the team. When you rebuild seasons like we just had were always a possibility given the fact that we had unproven/young players in key roles. This team needed to rebuild instead of constantly going for quick fixes which has proven to have not worked for us. So I was willing to try a new approach. Everything was alright when we went 8-8, but at 4-12 everyone flips their shit. I could see if we were Super Bowl or bust and ended up going 4-12 with the moves Idzik made THEN I could've understood the backlash. But coming into this year we knew we were in year 2 of a rebuild. Now we are right back to quick fixes and short windows while overpaying 28-30 year olds, sigh.
Doh! That doesn't mean that when the foundation is crumbling around you that you don't try to at least prop up the house. I thought Idzik deserved another year until he went into hibernation mid season.
We all knew it was a REBUILD so you knock off the bolded words anytime now. Idzik needed to show tangible improvement in a shorter timeframe than other smaller market areas. Idzik wasn't working with a 6 year window. Tanny had his 6 in large part due to those back to back AFCCG appearances. If he had stacked 8-8's or worse? different ending in a shorter amount of time. Lets be honest here for a minute. that last 8-8 was a mirage. Two extremely unlikely wins against ATL and TB to be exact. So, instead of being all hurt over this new reality, embrace the change and pray for a brighter future. Hope this new direction yields quicker results than the last 46 years have. Maybe change can be good because as the Jets, the Bills and the Bucs have already proven, you can be consistently bad or consistently mediocre. Fortune favors the Bold and the new reality is, NOBODY gets 6 years to rebuild anymore.
I bold it because you guys act as if you don't understand what we were doing. The fact that you think he needed to "show tangible improvement in a shorter period of time" is a problem. If you are asking him to rebuild then you give him the time to implement his plan and for his draft picks to develop. No one is saying we needed to wait 6 years but it was year 2 of a rebuild after the 2008-2011 SB window closed. We needed to get the cap in order and we needed to draft and develop young cheap talent. All of this takes time especially if Idzik was building through the draft. Draft picks need time to develop, playing a bunch of rookies and inexperienced players will yield bad results in many cases. For every Bucs or Bills there are the Seahawks that took 4 years to rebuild their team, Arizona that needed 4 years to rebuild after their late 00's run. Cincy that took 4 years to rebuild their talent, Carolina etc. But I guess doing the same shit while expecting different results (insanity) is the preferred method since it gives the impression of being "competitive".
1985 said a lot. Also re-signing Jets players like Pace. And getting a few other vets like Babin. Plus there were smaller fill-ins and signings like Marcus Williams. Other than the splash guys like one cornerback (who the Jets did try to sign: Vontae Davis and DRC-and they did sign Patterson) what did you want. Almost all areas of the team were addressed. I'll answer that . You wanted immediate success and instant gratification. It wasn't in the cards this past season when the schedule and opponents were better than the Jets.
Had Idzik's draftpicks shown tangible results, he may have gotten more time. If Idzik had shown more savvy when it comes to the personnel side of the game (FA's, agents, etc), he may have gotten more time. He showed none of those things and in this market, that's not gonna get it done. Idzik simply didn't show enough to justify his staying in charge. He got the cap down but he didn't improve the team although he had the cash. He certainly didn't help himself with that presser where he practically was begging the media and fanbase for understanding. He came across as weak and again, that may play well in small markets, but not here. Idzik might make a decent GM one day, just not in a market like this. Same could be said for a lot of HC candidates too so to the OP? You may have a point. 4 years on the outside is probably as good as it gets in a large market and even then, you might want to put a playoff appearance in there just to validate your program. You don't have to win, but you absolutely cannot suck. Not in the New York/New Jersey market at any rate. The only reason why Phil Jackson isn't getting his house burned to the ground is because of who he is. John Idzik is not Phil Jackson. Even Phil's pass will expire at some point if things don't turn around fairly quickly. In this day and age, rebuilds can't take as long as they used to. Particularly in areas where PSL's costs as much as they do and the competition for entertainment dollars is as high as it is here. You wanna rebuild in NY/NJ? Make it quick or don't bother. The old Yankees were masters at it. Everyone hated them for it too but it got results. Too bad their luck ran out..
We had a ton of bad luck at the CB position. And even then we got ourselves a potential diamond in the rough in Marcus Williams. We drafted 2 CB's this year with one getting hurt and the other poached off our practice squad. Then our free agent CB goes awol. Milliner gets hurt and Walls and Wilson were inconsistent.
Bad luck?! Patterson went AWOL. He also sucked and was signed to be a starter despite playing for like 6 teams in 7 years. You call that bad luck that he disappeared? Here is some more "bad luck"... Mike Goodson arrested for falling asleep drunk in the left lane of rt 80 with a gun on his lap. Kellen Winslow arrested for smoking synthetic weed and jerking off in a Target parking lot. CJ2K arrested last night for gun possession.
So because of the area we are located in, we have to be mediocre while trying to keep up with the Jones? That sucks and at that rate we will never win a title under that model. Baseball is an uncapped sport the Yankees could literally buy the best players. But in football you have a salary cap and in a sport like football guys primes are short. If you want to win you win with young cheap talent and hope to strike out before you have to pay them the big money. Going out and spending money on a bunch of free agents has never worked for us. I'd love to try a different approach. You have to understand that it takes time for draft picks to show something. For example look at Jerricho Cotchery. He was our 4th round pick in a loaded 2004 receiver class. He showed nothing his first 2 seasons but by his 3rd and 4th seasons he was clearly our best receiver. So if we judged Jerricho based on his rookie year then you'd say he was a bad pick. But he was a good pick he needed time to develop. That's why you can't judge draft picks on 1 year. Idzik's free agents outside of Patterson and Goodson were solid.
You got what you wanted because they fired Idzik. I guess all of the above was his fault. With that kind of illogic you have to blame Ozzie Newsome for Ray Rice punching his wife. PS I still say the Patterson signing was a good signing. He had injury problems but whenever he played he showed the ability to start. He was a legit acquisition at corner after the top guys were gone.
