Look, we don't know what really happened over the last two years. But when Idzik arrived it looked like he was trying to change things and get rid of the circus culture. He put a muzzle or somebody put a muzzle on Rex and he sometimes talked in monotones (like Idzik). And that was openly complained about by certain members of the press. And if he tried to stop the leaks it worked for a while but later we kept getting all kinds of negative stories about Idzik from unnamed sources in the org. So you have to fire these guys because they are going to resist change and battle you if things you try to implement don't go their way.
Rex gave too much freedom to the players to speak their minds. That's why we had seemingly endless cringeworthy quotes for 6 years. I actually don't mind a Coach/GM with personality, like Rex, it both makes the game more fun and if used right it can keep people under him loose in the ever-rigid world of pro football.. But when you let players say whatever they want all the time it's at the very least distracting and depending on what they say- damaging. New coach needs to put an end to that.
Personality matters less than accountability. Accountability needs to be decisive and firm, yet measured and appropriate. The Jets have lacked this since Parcells. I don't care what the personality of the next leadership is, so long as the players respect and to a minor extent fear the accountability that the leadership brings.
Look nobody likes a braggart. Esp when you can't back it up. If you want to talk big ok. But you have to win or shut up.
I've never understood or accepted this notion: that talk actually matters. Are you saying that you believe that other teams try harder to beat an opponent because that opponent says some stuff? Isn't the game's outcome motivation enough? I think the only time "talk" comes into play is AFTER the game. Either you can continue to talk or the other team can mention it. During the game, it's not even a measurable factor.
What I like about Marrone is that he's shown the ability as head coach to implement a successful rebuilding process. And as soon as he arrived his teams started improving. You can criticize any coach for a lot of things. But the Bills fans finally got an over .500 season only with him as HC. The other candidates are very good, too. I have no problem with any of them, I kind of like Kubiak except the regression of his Texans team and it looked like his last year there he was kind of beat up as a coach (mentally-but didn't he have an illness).
Organizational inertia is usually about older employees set in their ways and not open to new ideas. At least this is what the cost-cutting bastids in HR will tell you.
Sure it is when you inherit a losing team and you improve their record to over .500 your second season and you're a contender in December for a wild card. Did you expect him to win the division against New England. Look, I don't really care if it's him or Quinn or Kubiak, etc. But I don't get the opposition to him.
It definitely matters. But not because of the fairy tale notion you are describing. There's two levels of it mattering. Distraction (less significant): It brings extra unnecessary crap the team has to deal with. Geno Smith saying he plays at a pro-bowl level, Calvin Pace "best defense in the NFL".. etc. when statements like that are made that becomes the question they get all week. Everyone from that moment on has to speak to that. Maybe the Head Coach takes a minute or 2 to address it, maybe the players take some time to think about it. Maybe at lunch time they laugh it off, who knows.. but all of that HAS to creep into their preparation. In 2012 the talk was all about Tebow being a distraction- and it was- but the team was always distracted under Rex because they couldn't keep their mouths shut both with their names on it or anonymously but always publicly. Damaging (more significant): When you allow the players to freely speak their minds publicly you get all their opinions - even some that can tear apart a locker room. Like we had with Burress, Mason & Holmes in 2011 and their opinions of Sanchez/Schottenheimer. That tore apart that offense. And its not just players even, Rex allowed his assistants to speak freely which was unique. Did you read Collision Low Crossers and see how Pettine's "Good Cro/Bad Cro" comment in 2011 enraged Cromartie and tore apart that defensive chemistry down the stretch? There's a reason a Bill Belichick, for example, benches his star slot receiver to start the biggest game of the year for freely making disparaging comments in the weekly presser - and it's not because it gives causes opponents to "try harder" because as you say, the game/task at hand is motivation enough...
Football has been compared to the military and often coaches bring in people from the Army etc to speak to their team. And some teams have even tried training based on Navy Seals etc. training. And the backbone of the military is discipline. Did the Jets have a lot of discipline under Rex. Did guys do their own thing or follow the game plan? Were there regular breakdowns in coverage and missed assignments. Plus numerous penalties. The D players loved Rex because he allowed them to be creative. And because he could think outside the box. It's great for stats and big plays but can you win like that.
Well, thanks. I hadn't thought of those things. But I think what you've explained is pretty much a gussied up version of my fairy tale. And your notions that it matters seem strained as well. The Jets before Parcells sucked. And they said nothing. Didn't brag, were the epitome of Casper Milquetoast. And they never won squat. The Jets of the first two years of Ryan talked a big game and backed it up, you know, until "Can't WAIT!!" As far as creeping into preparation goes: so does "what did my wife say about my daughter's school again?" "should I have the beef wellington or the pork chops?" As far as Belicheck goes: they actually LOST that game. And haven't won a SB since they were forced to stop cheating. Moreover, BB's NOT talking gets as much press as anyone else's talking does.
Hmm, in contention for a wildcard that you didn't get, with a jumbled QB situation you made, and you then quit. Right... But, then again, you feel that 12-20 is "on the right track..." LOL Oh, and newsflash: pretty much every coach inherits a losing team 'cause if it weren't losing the prior coach would still be there.
arithmetic, not a particular strong suit? Wins: 6 + 9 = 15 Losses: 10 + 7 = 17 The 12-20 referred to your bro-mance with John Idzik.
I can understand the anti-Marrone sentiment in terms of his quitting on 2 programs in the middle of a rebuild. But there were maybe reasons: like getting a chance to be an NFL HC even if it was in Buffalo. And then this extension situation with new owners and probably a new GM. In terms of his record as HC: he improved both programs and they were on the way up. Something the Jets need. He showed he can rebuild a bad program. As for the Bills fans complaints about him being too conservative and not going for it on 4th down. Typical fans.
The only team he "quit" on was Buffalo. Syracuse he took a promotion to the pro game. Some would say a lofty step from a traditional bottom feeding big least team straight to the NFL. It was a risky hire for Buffalo but Marrone shouldn't be faulted for taking it. Do people call Chip Kelly a quitter because he left Oregon for Philly?? of course not... The buffalo move probably deserves criticism, yes, but from buffalo people not people on his next job. At least he had the dignity to take his rubs like a man and not accept the job and resign on napkin like that fuckhead in New England
Admit it - you want Marrone because he is the anti-Rex. Ryan is boisterous, Marrone quiet. Ryan loves the interaction with the press, Marrone avoids it like the plague. Rex is confident, Marrone tries to control everything in the organization. Two totally different philosophies but the problem is that the opposite of mediocrity is not overwhelming success or despair, it is...more mediocrity.
