Nice strawman. No one said QB Rating is perfect. No way of looking at a QB is perfect by itself, for example winning % is the result of total team talent and coaching as well as the QB, TDs are the result of the kind of offense that's run and receiving talent, and so on. But out of QB stats, QB Rating is the most comprehensive in-depth stat available, and is usually a good guideline to evaluate QBs, even if it's not perfect just like everything else in this world. Furthermore, you can use all sorts of other arguments against Carr being as good this year as you claim, ones which you didn't address. They had the 2nd worst offense in the league in terms of points scored and were the worst team in the league for most of the year. How does that happen with a decent QB in a QB driven league?
The Jets clearly went into rebuild mode when we hired Idzik who's first task was to clean house and clear cap space, which he did. His 2nd task was to draft a QB who turned out to be Geno Smith in the 2nd round and was as good as anyone else in the weak 2013 QB class. Bottom line is Idzik/Geno were part way through year 2 of a rebuild when Woody decided to clean house. Some might suggest that <2 years is simply not enough time to evaluate a GM or a rookie QB (or any draft pic for that matter). But with the Jets blasting all the way to a 4-12 record and fans renting billboards, Woody folded like a cheap suit and pushed the button. Rex was a casualty in the process that Woody would loved to have kept but just wasn't possible.
Ask yourself this question. Who did more with less? Who did less with more? No shit QB rating isn't perfect, it's not even good. Look at those who debate good on this board - then ask yourself this - who the hell uses QB Rating to completely support their argument? I think to find your answer, look at the roster in OAK.
Geno did more with less, without a question. When you consider that we only got Harvin later in the season, and Decker missed some time early on, are the Raiders WRs worse than Greg Salas, David Nelson, TJ Graham, Kerley, etc? They got some decent WRs, if nothing special, in James Jones, Denarius Moore, etc. Not like Geno had the greatest show on turf for the entire year. Raiders also have 2 great running backs in MacFadden and Drew-Jones. And don't tell me they got anyone on their O-Line as bad as Winters. The biggest reason though is that Carr didn't have to play in Rex's offense, with the constant wildcat BS, predictable running plays and all that, a game (the first against Miami) where they stopped him from throwing, and so on. How much worse would Carr's stats be if his coaching staff forbade him from throwing the ball in the red zone?
Perhaps the "love" is all about doing analysis instead of knee-jerk reactions filled with simplistic arguments. I've seen the Jets offense over the last few years. I've seen the diminishing of the OL AND WR positions. All of those diminishments contribute to how well your QB is likely to play. So, while I see rookie mistakes and dumb plays from Geno Smith, I also see, just a frequently, the OL failing to protect him and the WR fail to win matchups they absolutely have ot win for a QB to be viable. You see: "oh he took a sack.." I see, "damn, there was absolutely no pocket that play..." You see, "wow, he just threw an INT..." and I see, "damn, he just threw an INT, can't the Jets WR get any separation..." You see, "his footwork sucked on that play..." I see, "wow, it was a jailbreak through the LG position." And then I watch a good offensive team play and I see WRs getting WIDE open. I see the QB having gobs of time to hold onto the ball and throw long to a WIDE OPEN receiver. And I think, "why can't the Jets block like that and get open like that?" I think this year for Geno is like Year Three for Mark Sanchez. In Sanchez's third year, the Jets asked him to carry the offense while they took away his WR weapons and the OL was further diminished. How was Sanchez supposed to be successful? Asked to do more with less. And that's how this year started for Geno: no Decker, no Harvin, a diminished Kerley, a virtual turnstile at LG and not much better on the right side. How was he supposed to be good with those circumstances? And even with that, there were flashes of solid play. But when you don't have any gamebreakers, every drive is a forced march down the field, instead of a quick score. And I see talent enough for Smith to be more than "serviceable": he can make every throw and has mobility.
They are really good running backs. I just checked the stats and looks like Drew Jones was injured or something this year, but they had Latavius Murray run for almost 500 yards at a crazy 5.2 yard average per run, and MacFadden had over 500.
I was looking at their individual stats, not the team ones. Looked at the team stats after your post, yeah I guess they were worse running than I thought. Heh, you are going to nitpick at player names now?
it feels like sanchez all over again… we don't know how much to blame on the qb himself or exterior factors like O-line, weapons and scheme, or how much time he should be given. arguments are made about how he's not that bad, others are made about him utter shit… I say, no matter how much the truth lies in the middle, lets just keep him around and be surprised later- or be unsurprised, whatever. he's cheap and young, maybe this is his ceiling maybe not, but the point should be that we won't depend on him for anything. whatever happens, happens, we need 3-4 QB's to go into camp with anyway why not the third year player with moderate chemistry with our weapons? wether or not a better offensive scheme or supporting staff will help will reveal itself in time.
Their numbers weren't crazy different. The threw for about the same amount of touchdowns and roughly the same completion percentage. Carr took way better care of the ball (which is crazy important) than Geno but also had one of the lowest yards/attempt I've ever seen. Carr may be better, but let's not act like he's the second coming or something.
Carr - 21 TDs; 12 INTs; 599 pass attempts Geno (rookie yr) - 12 TDs; 21 INTs; 443 pass attempts Geno (2nd yr) - 13 TDs; 13 INTs; 367 pass attempts What in the fuck are you looking at.
Geno and Carr both had TD% of 3.5. That means 3.5 of every 100 passes resulted in a TD. I used Geno's second year instead of rookie year. I suppose that's my mistake. Just figured I'd compare to see who was better this year. Not sure why you're being an asshole though. The numbers are way closer than you seem to be admitting. I'm no Geno apologist, just trying to put forth a fair argument.
Fuck the Raiders. I hope they think Carr is their future so they hitch their wagon to him and suck for another decade.
That's the funny part. You going emo aside, I didn't even say that Geno was better than Carr at first, I just took issue with you talking about him like he is miles ahead of Geno. The guy is just a rookie, and might turn out to be a good NFL QB in the future, but this year, he was absolutely nothing to write home about.
How could anyone watch both of our games against Buffalo this year (not that he played well in our games against Buffalo last year) and believe that Geno Smith has any future that involves him starting for any team in the NFL, much less the Superbowl winning team we all want our next head coach to build? Does the face of our new improved franchise go 0-3 with three interceptions? Really?
I of course have noticed you are a persistent defender of Smith, who I think sucks. Let's just say the Jets do not have a shitty OL and move on from your weak argument. Is the OL top shelf? No. Is it shitty? No. Add in that a Qb who has less time in the pocket needs to take that into account in deciding how long to hold the ball - Smith was rarely bull rushed - it was just holding the ball too long while he went through his reads - and the "Shitty OL!" argument goes out the window.
