I like how you offer no actual arguments other than your personal opinions and we are just supposed to take your word for it, cause you are some sort of grand poobah expert, right? I also like how you just referred to stats in your previous post and that's ok, but when I do it, it's bad, because... well I guess because you only like stats that support your position. And btw, I am not basing my opinion on Carr only on stats (though that is actually a very relevant argument here). I've watched him play in several games and wasn't particularly impressed. He seemed to do a lot of short "easy" passes that don't really accomplish much. Also, in a league as QB oriented as the NFL is these days, the fact that you are the worst team in football for most of the season says a lot about your QB, even if he is a rookie.
Your arguments are stupid and flawed. Watch the games, you'll understand whose better and who is not. QB Rating is flawed and does not tell you who the better QB is. Few years back, Vince Young has a league-best passer rating of 103.1, ahead of No. 2 Peyton Manning (101.4). Does that mean VY was better than Peyton Manning? C'mon man THINK! Carr head and shoulders better than Geno Smith. Not even worth the full discussion IMO.
Trent Dilfer threw 4 TD's and 18 INT's and Tampa kept him as their starting qb. At least Vinny threw 21 td's despite the 35 INT's.
Wow. I watched him play against Miami and he didn't look like a piece of shit to me. In fact, I thought he looked pretty serviceable over the last 4 games. Maybe I need to visit your optometrist and get some of those shit viewing bifocals.
Yeah thats facts, i would've liked to see CJ in the screen game alot more, kinda like how sproles is always used, i feel like he could be better than sproles playing the same exact role.
lmfaoooo 4!! I'm starting to appreciate being mediocre, at least we weren't just down right pathetic.... well... our offense was pretty horrible as a unit these last few years minus the run game.
Love you too. First of all, Vince Young never had a rating of 103 or over a 100. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9589/vince-young) So there's that. Second, if you are referring to 2010, when his rating was higher than Peyton's, that is just very selective cherry picking. Peyton Manning had a long career where every year pretty much, his rating was in 90s or 100s and his rating in 2010 was one of the lowest of his career. Vince Young, on the other hand, 2010 was the ONLY year when he had a good rating, the rest of them being much lower, in 60s and such. So if anything, their respective QB Ratings demonstrate Peyton's superiority to Vince Young over the course of their careers. So nice try, but no.
2010 Season: 98.6 - VY 91.9 - Peyton Manning I was wrong on the numbers, was going off the top of the brain. Regardless, QB Rating is not a great stat and it does not tell you who the better QB is. Doesn't matter who the QB is, you believed QB Rating tells you who the better QB is as you are continuously using it as your top argument. Vince Young was not a better QB then Peyton Manning in 2010. That's the premise of this argument in which you are clearly wrong on. Geno was never a better QB. Your argument is flawed.
Ok, I'll explain it again, since you are not getting it. Vince Young might very well have been the better QB in 2010 regular season than Peyton Manning because it was a not just a career year for him, but a year where he played on a level unlike anything else his entire career, and Peyton Manning had a bad year. That was the year Peyton injured his neck early on and struggled the entire year, and afterward, following surgeries and all that next season, Colts decided to let him go. He also didn't do that well in the playoffs as surely you remember, losing to us that year, despite beating us the previous year. So in a year when Vince Young plays 3 levels above what he usually played and Peyton plays badly by his standards and injured, the QB Rating seems to be an accurate descriptor of their relative quality. But that's just one year. Over the course of their careers, Peyton's QB Rating is obviously much MUCH higher than Vince Young's, once again showing that it's a good way to evaluate a QB. Do you get it now?
LMAO - nope nope. So your excuse is, "oh it's 1 yr". Carr had a lesser QB Rating then Geno Smith, and you are telling me Geno Smith was the better QB THIS YEAR? A man who was benched what twice? Peyton threw 33 TDs and 17 INTs that yr, Vince Young would love to have that once in his career. Peyton still led his team to a 10-6 record and well you know how things went the next year with his neck. But yeah VY was better than Peyton in 2010 - LMAO. Put down the pipe.
Vince Young was SO good in 2010 that he threw only 10 TDs and 4 INTs, but DAT QB RATING right? Surely Young was better all yr. Also, he didn't even start 16 games. But VY's QB rating was so good, I mean why even put him out there for a full 16? Shit the guy had a better QB rating then Peyton, nothing left to prove for VY that yr! http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5835429 LMAO BETTER THAN PEYTON! Going to storm out the stadium because I have a better QB rating then Peyton.
Geno was benched because we had a good backup QB and a coach who actually wanted to win, unlike the Raiders, who were satisfied with tanking all season, and when he was benched, it's not like Vick did any better against San Diego or Buffalo. In fact, the next Buffalo game, Vick was pulled for Geno again. This is the same Buffalo team that shut down Aaron Rogers btw. Carr's offense scored 0 points against the Rams (52-0), 6 points against the same Chargers (yeah in the other game you conveniently didn't mention), and 9 points against the Patriots (the same ones that Geno put up better numbers than Brady against). If the Raiders were actually playing to win and had anyone behind him, Carr would've been benched in those games as well. Vince Young had 10 TDs and 3 INTs in 9 games and the Titans were something like 5-5 in those. Then he was pulled as the starting QB because he clashed with the coach (there was some incident where he threw pads into the stands or something), after which the Titans went 1-5 the rest of the way. Manning played all 16 games that year. So if you project Young's numbers across 16 games, his TDs would be around 18-19 and INTs would be around 4-5. So yeah, somewhat less TDs, a LOT less INTs, better rating, better QB play. Problem? And you can't use team records because like I said, Titans played much better with Young as the QB AND there's the matter of other talent on the team.
Excuses. You said VY was better than Peyton in 2010, that's horseshit. Nothing else really to say here. Geno is not better than Carr in 2014; VY was not better than Peyton in 2010. VY was benched btw in 2010 in case you forgot.
Why was VY not better? Why is Geno not better? Because you say so? How about some evidence, some logical arguments for a change? He was benched for clashing with the coach and doing extracurricular stuff, not his play on the field. And the Titans became MUCH worse after that.
You NEED to get those answers YOURSELF in regards to PM v VY. Do I really have to tell you why Peyton was better than Vince Young in 2010? If I have to tell you that, then you shouldn't be in this debate. Watch the games and you'll know. Geno is not better than Carr because, Carr reads defenses, he reacts MUCH faster then Geno Smith, he was more decisive and accurate AS A ROOKIE. Geno in 2 yrs has not exhibited this ability. Yeah he was a piece of shit to the coaching staff, did not mentally prepare himself for games - so essentially your QB is a piece of crap mondays through saturday and was ultimately benched for being a slap-dick asshole. Preparation plays a role in who the better QB is. Tell me, who was the better QB that yr? You got to football war, you go ahead and take 2010 VY, I'll gladly take 2010 Peyton Manning. Improve your football knowledge my friend. Take this as a lesson in life, when arguing about NFL QBs - don't use QB Rating as your only tool. btw what happened when Peyton missed the next season - you telling me the Titans w/out VY was worse then the Colts w/out PM?
See, again, you can't answer a simple question, and just keep typing the same stuff over and over. Seems to me like you just assume Peyton Manning is automatically better every year than Vince Young because you know, he is Peyton Manning, and if the numbers tell you otherwise, well that can't be, because that would mess with your assumptions. So if Carr is so good at reading defenses and so decisive and accurate, why is his QB Rating so low? Is the rating just out to screw him? Why are the Raiders such a terrible offensive team? It's not like they have no talent on offense, they got some great running backs, and before the season, a lot of people were saying their WRs are so much better than ours. How did they have the 2nd most anemic offense in the league when even we with Geno, Rex and the wildcat were rated 4 spots ahead of them in points per game? Seems like you are just pulling stuff out of your behind. Since the QB Rating doesn't take extracurricular stuff into account, I don't see how this is relevant to the argument at hand. We are talking about their on-the-field performance and how accurately the QB Rating describes it. The Titans went 1-5 once Young was pulled as the QB, so I don't see how they would be much worse than the Colts.
I can't believe all this Geno love going around. Did all you Rex and Idzik lovers all jump on Geno since your other heroes were fired? Smith sucks and he should be considered lucky to even get a chance to compete on an NFL roster. There are much better #2 QBs around the league. The Jets were the worst passing team last year and this year. With all the injuries this year, you still would have had a hard time finding another team that would actually let him start. Maybe Arizona. The sooner we get a real QB the better. If only we could trade Smith, as stated I would take Glennon any day and was pissed when they drafted Smith over Glennon. The only thing worse than having Smith would be if they drafted Winston.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/25/stat-sheet-misconceptions-passer-rating/ I recommend doing some other reading on QB rating as well. Everything else you mentioned, I'm not going to bother reading sorry. You need to learn more about the game other then QB rating.
The big question about Smith is, will he get better in year 3 and prove he can play in the NFL, or will he go the route of Muck Sanchez and regress and get even worse? Obviously if he stays the same or gets worse, he is not good enough to play in the NFL and I don't want him on this team. If he gets better, that's great. If he doesn't, we should cut him loose immediately after the season and move on not do what we did with Muck and give him an extension and saddle ourselves with a shitty QB for years.
IDK apparently the fan-base has no clue what a good QB is because we got people over here thinking Vince Young was actually at one point a better QB then Manning. Apparently, Derek Carr is worse then Geno Smith even though he had more TDs then turnovers.
