Woody Possibly Not Allowing Full Control w/ New GM

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  1. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    This franchise will never go forward if this is true. Possibly why DeCosta denied interview again.

    @AlbertBreer
    One reason Chris Ballard turned down Jets interview -- When he becomes a GM, wants full authority. That was far from certain in New York.

    @BrianBassett
    If we find out Woody was unwilling to give up full authority to likes of Eric DeCosta, then this organization is doomed forever.
     
  2. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    No GM has full authority. None, anywhere. There's always a budget that is handed to them that they have to meet. There's always some give and take with the HC over personnel. The idea that any GM would have full authority is laughable.
     
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    I saw that tweet from Breer and am now very curious. I wonder what makes it far from certain, is it Woody or that Woody will give the HC more responsibility depending on the hire?

    Very curious what that means
     
  4. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    Ozzie? I think the Ravens owner trusts him implicitly
     
  5. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    I'll bet you he is handed a number he has to meet over a period of years in terms of cash spent and that he and his personnel department also have to work closely with Harbaugh on the players the Ravens decide to bring in.

    Do you think Ozzie was the guy who decided to give Flacco the huge deal after the Super Bowl win? I'll bet you that was an organizational decision that at least 4 people had a hand in (Ozzie, DeCosta, Harbaugh and Bisciotti).
     
  6. LAJet

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    I wish we would have some real insight into the meaning of full authority. WTF is that exactly? Sure as shit does not mean cart blanche. But it should entail a full delegation by the owner of all GM responsibilities and decision making within appropriate financial constrains to the GM.

    If Woody wants more control than that, then we might be fucked on arrival...but who knows where the truth lies.
     
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  7. displacedfan

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    Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 12m12 minutes ago
    Just to clarify what I said earlier, it remains uncertain how the contractual power b/w the future coach and GM of the Jets will break down.

    Breer clarifies. So it isn't necessarily full control, but where you stack up vs the HC opinion. I'm guessing Ballard wants to know decisions go through him and then Woody, not go through him then the HC then Woody. Obviously no situation is that straightforward of decision tree, but I think that's the general idea I'm getting from the tweets
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I think they are referring to full personnel control w/ players and scouts. Chip Kelly / Bill Belichick have full control of personnel acquisitions. This has nothing to do with the entire budget, but I think whom the GMs can bring in. What players they can acquire.

    I think those tweets are vague, if it's in regards to personnel control w/ players and scouts then Woody is an idiot.
     
  9. ultrajet

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    DeCosta is not coming. Why should he? Ravens are a strong organization. Ravens owner is a nice guy. He is the heir apparent to Newsome. I also think he has family ties to Baltimore. If Woody wants to retain a good portion of control, there is no way DeCosta or any other competent GM candidate would want this job.
     
  10. Red Menace

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    I don't think any GM has Carte Blanche over the budget, and they should not, it's not their money. However I do believe that Ozzie and maybe Bill B, could bring forward to the owner any issue that they want to take care of and they might not have to include other parties in the conversation.

    That being said what kind of control is this guy looking for? Maybe wants to set up a certain structure within the ranks that does not have the HC reporting directly to the owner? A very strict chain of command?
     
  11. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    pfft..why should an owner give full control to anybody?
     
  12. LongIslandBlitz

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    What GM actually has full control?Arthur Blank is picking the Falcons next coach ...I thought Dimitrof was the "God" of GMs
     
  13. Poeman

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    Stop posting these bogus speculation tweets.

    Yeah lets presume Decosta didn't interview because we would not do full control...Thus we are doomed forever
     
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    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    BTW, what does "full control" even mean? If the GM wants to move the team to Cuba, does that fall under the definition of "full control"?
     
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    Most HC hires are done by the ownership. So are most fires. The HC may report to the GM in the org chart but it's a rarity when a GM actually gets to pick "his" HC.
     
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    I wouldn't have given him full control either....What has he done to get "full control" over an entire franchise?
     
  17. LongIslandBlitz

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    Don't tell that to me ....tell that to our fanbase who thinks the GM is God in a suit and tie for some reason.Sure he's important but a lot of things are important its not all about the GM
     
  18. Noam

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    I guess the question is what is full control? Is it full control over hires and personnel? Does it mean that Woody cannot require the GM to force the Gm to trade a player like he did with Idzik and Revis? Does it mean that Woody cannot force the GM to trade and sign a player like he did with Favre? Does it mean that the owner cannot force the GM to trade for a player like he allegedly did with Tebow and then force the Gm to take the blame for it? Is it a Gm that does not want to work for an owner that publicly said he puts his religious beliefs and politics ahead of winning football games? It's a good question is it simply a balance of the control between coach and GM or does it mean that the GM does not want a meddlesome owner that will force player decisions upon them? Is it a subtle hint that the real problem here is Woody or is it simply saying it was a a power play by a GM candidate?
     
  19. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    every asshole with a twitter account can say whatever they want and in most cases, it actually becomes the perceived reality. what a retarded world we live in.

    I just realized who started the thread. My own fault for clicking it
     
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    johnnysd Well-Known Member

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    I think full control would be 4 things:

    1. Final say on all draft picks
    2. Final say on hiring and firing of HC and all assistants (taking that away from HC)
    3. Final say on 53 man roster
    4. Complete control of the scouting and pro personnel departments

    Along with reporting directly to the owner, not a President like Neil Glat

    Woody is not doing that.
     

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