The whole coaching staff is free to explore other job openings. I think Marty already had an interview with the Bucs.
Well, I am telling you that if you were an Oakland fan, you'd probably be saying that Geno Smith is much better than Carr, because all of these guys have issues and none of them are a sure thing, so when fans get impatient, there's a lot of flaws to find with each of them. And you'll forgive me if I use a well accepted QB metric such as the QB Rating to judge a QB instead of your word. I agree that Marty is probably better than the fans think right now, but I think the blame there goes more on Rex than Geno. The playcalling was atrocious and that's got nothing to do with Geno. Not for nothing, but if Geno turns out to be an average NFL starter, that would be our best QB in almost a decade. More seriously though, Geno might very well turn out to be a bust, but he has shown enough flashes and improvement that it's within the realm of possibility that he could become a good QB down the line, much like those other guys I listed in the OP, who struggled at first. There is no one you can bring in right now who has Geno's potential. Assuming Mariotta and Winston are both gone by the time we pick (which is the most likely scenario), all other QB prospects are long shots this year. I am all for drafting one, but I wouldn't count on them being the long term answer. So who exactly do you want to bring in that's better than Geno going forward? A guy like Locker who can't stay on the field? A guy like Cutler, whose ceiling we already know, and it's not very high, even if it's higher than Geno right now? When looking at those realistic scenarios, yeah, I think giving Geno another year is the best thing.
Is this the fuckin argument for every QB we have? I'm guilty of doing it with Sanchez but come on. This shit needs to stop. Just because a quarterbacks numbers are similar to other good to great QBs, that doesn't mean he will pan out like such. All one needs to do is watch Geno play to know he is a piece of shit.
Having watched other teams play, I do notice that WRs actually do get wide open frequently. Not so on the Jets. Well, except for the last game, where Geno threw them open. He was perfect in that game. You use the term "awful" very much when discussing Geno and not at all when discussing pass protection. But, I think I've exhausted the argument because I know I asked you to do a comparison and you're unwilling to do it, after mentioning other QBs to compare Smith to and I'm not going to. I mean, the topic of this thread compares Geno to successful QBs in their first two years. And Geno clearly is not the worst of them, statistics wise. So, I'm going to be patient and hope that Geno cuts down on his mistakes and the Jets shore up their OL and WR corps, for whomever is their starter. Personally, I'm OK with Geno's progress. He still needs to cut down on dumb mistakes. But I'm going to give him a pass on holding the ball too long and footwork because of the talent deficiencies and his inexperience. It's interesting to note that you said that you'd be ok with the jets having kept Sanchez, when, basically, he was at the same point in his development as Geno was, and hindered by the same talent deficiencies. But I suppose you hadn't made up your mind on Sanchez before he was selected as you had with Geno. Oh well, you'll have all offseason, probably, to bitch and moan and hopefully the Jets will continue to shore up the areas they need to for whomever is under center.
Yeah, but how is that any different from a Giants fan like you watching Eli early on and saying that "All one needs to do is watch Eli play to know he is a piece of shit."?
Every Raider fan I know says Carr is the future, go on every message board and they want to see that guy develop. 21 TDs only 12 INTs, yeah Raiders fans DEFINITELY want Geno Smith over that guy. Whatever you are smoking please pass it to me. 4 TDs against the Chargers, tell me what did Geno do against the Chargers? Oh that's right HE WAS BENCHED. Carr w/ less talent showed more in his rookie yr then Geno Smith did in 2 seasons. QB Rating fucking sucks, stop using it as your primary argument tool.
Oh wow. I like Marty and i actually think we have the right offense to prosper with him, his consistency in his play calling is kind of bad though. CJ should have been going nuts under Marty. I could see where he could make or break a young QB though.
nonsense...he lacks experience and maturity. He wasn't drafted in the second round because he lacked talent. But he has made some dumb plays.
come on man... that's harsh. Geno is talented. He can make all the throws, it's his decision making that kills him. Kinda like Mark, will throw a beautiful pass to the other team lmao
As for CJ: you also have to have a consistently effective OL, even though the Jets had a lot of yardage, they couldn't depend on it. A shitty (oh, wait, let me be kinder to the OL than those Geno haters are to him) er, inconsistent OL, hurts a runner like CJ, who would benefit from a OL that could execute a stretch play, which the Jets OL could not.
Bridgewater has excellent ball placement skills. So even if the receiver is not initially open, Bridgewater can put the ball only where his receiver can get it. He's a special talent that should be on the Jets. Mind me again who catches the ball for the Vikings. Old ass Greg Jennings. We have Decker who is in his prime. Again, take a look at the link I provided you and educate yourself on Geno Smith. You maybe OK w/ awful QB play, but I am not sir. Mark was nothing more then a 1 yr stop-gap until the 2014 draft when we acquire a QB in a strong QB class. 1 game of Geno making 1 or 2 good throws does not dispel the other games he started and his poor performances. He sucks, but let me "complain and moan" because I want the Jets to do better. Meanwhile you settle for mediocrity.
same # of TDs thrown, and how many games did Vick come in and play? Those #s would be much higher if not for the benching.
Yeah, and Geno had a perfect game against #4 rated pass defense in the NFL. What's your point? Any single game anything can happen. Carr quarterbacked the worst team in football for most of the season, and was rated below Geno in the most comprehensive QB rating. You may not like it, but it's what people use to evaluate QBs, so just deal with it. And what is this stuff about less talent, we started the season with Salas and that other guy at WR and Decker missed some time with a hamstring injury. It was only toward the 2nd half that our offensive talent improved with Harvin and Decker playing healthy, and Geno played much better during that span.
Ok, I looked at the link. I'm not sure what is supposed to sway me. And, so you acknowledge that he has had good games. You just feel that they didn't happen frequently enough. You mentioned ONE receiver. I thought you were going to do an analysis. And we had Decker for about 10 or so games. the season is actually 16 games long.
So, now you're an INT prognosticator. "much higher"? Didn't Vick start all of ONE game? Your Geno hatred has gone from marginally reasonable to ridiculous.
You know nothing about football if you believe Geno Smith is anywhere near as good as Derek Carr. Carr showed FAR more promise then Geno Smith, it's not even close to the amount of promise Carr had with the issues they had in Oakland. Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. There you go again using QB Rating as your only tool. You have much to learn about football. Baseball is a good sport to follow if you follow strictly statistics.
The guy sucks, use your eyes and it'll tell you everything you need to know. How many QBs have been benched as many times as Geno Smith? And have succeeded? Are you even a Jet fan? Did you watch any of the games this yr? You are telling me Vick started just 1 game? I guess you'll blindly support Geno Smith no matter what, such a shame.
