I know some would say this is really a function of his rookie contract, meaning there's little incentive to cutting him. But I think Simms has more potential upside, that Smith will never get the mental part of the game and the consistency that comes with it, and that the Jets need to consider getting both a real vet presence and have room to draft a Qb, if possible, this draft. Optimally they get that vet, draft a qb and see how the depth chart shakes out in camp with Simms either 2 or 3. In that scenario, there is no room for Smith, and I would not shed a tear for him if he was then cut. But if the Jets can't find a decent Qb in the draft (imo they HAVE TO get a vet qb this off season), then the contract would indicate Smith would not be cut and could compete with Simms for the backup job.
Mark's tenure was totally different. We didn't try and build a long-term offense around Mark Sanchez. We had no plan for his development.
Apparently, people don't realize how important a stable and effective OL is to a QB. "he hold's the ball too long..." When your first instinct is to NOT trust your OL, you can't be totally focused on passing. And when you've been burned throwing short passes, again because your OL isn't giving you time to get through your progressions, it's simply not an environment that is conducive to good QB play. My opinion is that the Jets OL is THE major factor in the offense's poor showing. Yeah, they run block well, unless the defense knows they are going to run, then it doesn't. But their pass blocking for the majority of two consecutive seasons has been abysmal. And that includes RBs picking up blitzers. Of course, it's a team effort, and Geno has had his share of mental fuck ups, but the OL definitely did not pick him up, or Sanchez before him. And to keep pointing at the QB as the problem when the very same QB went somewhere else and performed adequately--not a worldbeater, but had a winning record--seems to ignore the evidence and place blame where it doesn't rightly belong.
1. No need to cut him, he's cheap 2. Hell fucking no. 3. Going to take a lot to get him up from 3rd string.
I don't even know what this means. Are you saying the jets had no plan--an empty section headed "QB Development Plan"? They didn't execute their plan to fortify the positions they let go bad: the OL and the receivers. Sanchez had an offseason, camps, his own West Coast camp. Mark Sanchez tried. But he was working with S-H-I-T.
I would add in two other factors. One is Smith is unable to go to his second and third options quickly enough, which no doubt is why he holds hte ball too long. In that connection I do not see hw the putative poor quality of hte OL (imo they were not that bad) excuses him holding the ball too long. It's a factor he should deal with in making his decisions. Second is it bothers me he can't be at all effective behind center. It's very limiting, and points to how he's weak in not only that respect but several other fundamentals as well. He faces too long odds in too many facets of the game to have a reasonable prospect of eventually becoming a success. The odds are against him.
i'm of the opinion that they could have done both. But they failed drafting the OL (Ducasse and Winters) and the receiver (Hill).
Mark couldn't do it on his own, Mark needed support from the front office and he never received it. Wayne Hunter, Plaxico Burgess, Stephen Hill, chasing Nnamdi the CB from the Raiders - those are not ways to support a young QB. Mark failing was more-so on the Jets personnel decision making. Mark wasn't a great talent, but he could have been part of a GREAT team.
As do ALL NFL rookie and 2nd-year QBs. But not all young QBs have some of the good games Smith had. Good QBs don't play for teams with shitty OLs and slow receivers that can't consistently win one-on-one matchups or get deep. that's the environment Smith was brought into and worked under for 3/4 of two years. Unless the Jets fix that, the next guy, and the next guy, and the next guy are going to face those same odds.
How is that any different than Geno Smith's first year? The Jets WR position was a wasteland of injury and lack of talent. The OL had Winters, Ducasse, and Colon at the OG spots. How is Smith's second year much different? He had Decker injured. Didn't get Harvin until Game 8 or so. Had Winters and Colon at OG and Giacomini at RT. These aren't world beaters.
Please, tell me about their talent. Do the comparison. I'd like to see. I know the Vikings have a receiver corps that is better than the Jets. But you do the position by position comparison and get back to me.
They should have waited until 2014 for the QB because the 2013 QBs were not good, they were regarding as one of the worst classes to come out. I would have kept Sanchez as our starter for 1 more yr in 2013. Still bothers me as well, we were very close but the Jets didn't have their priorities straight after losing to the Steelers in 2010. Let's pray the new regime knows.
Absolutely true, thanks for bringing those up actually. Not being able to take snaps from center, makes the running game even weaker as they are 5 yards behind the LOS. Add that to the fact that, I bet every scouting report mentions Geno Smith's scrambling tendencies. You have to put a gun to his head for this kid to run. Can't tell you how many times we as Jet fans told Geno, to "RUN!" as he stands back there for like 4 seconds, then takes a sack. He's an awful decision maker, he has to stare his receivers because they aren't wide open. Awful ball placement skills. The quality of the OL here is no excuse, especially if you are as gifted physically as Geno Smith.
Geno had far better coaching. Marty M is far better than any OC we've had and now we as Jet fans threw him under the bus because Geno Smith can't execute the plays given to him. Injuries are just an excuse in the NFL, if you have less talent around - you need to run, scramble and extend the drive. Geno has God-given talent and he doesn't take full advantage. Jets WR > Vikings WR Jets RB > Vikings RB (w/ no AP of course) Jets TE = Vikings TE Jets offensive line = Vikings offensive line Vikings gave up more sacks, but the Vikings were a better running offensive line - so I will say "push" here http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol The difference is that Bridgewater has excellent ball placement skills and can put the ball only where his receiver can get it. Bridgewater can also read defenses. He's far better at the QB position.
Nope, wasn't a typo... Testaverde is 2nd all time with that beauty of a season. First all time is George Blanda, who threw 42 in 1962. You all will be glad to know Geno is only tied for 162nd on that list: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_single_season.htm You do know that Derek Carr finished with a worse QB Rating this season than Geno, right? Bridgewater is a bit better but he wasn't that great either and he has Norv Turner as his OC, who is kinda well known for developing young QBs. Geno was doing it in a Rex offense, which is well known for ..., well, enough said. That's kind of my point, I would love to see Geno get a season with someone like Norv as the OC and a HC who doesn't put the clamps down.
So let me get this straight. Idzick, Rex, and Geno got us a 4-12 record and some of you guys want one, both, or all three of them back next year? It's not their fault we suck, yada, yada, yada I am sure you have your case to make. In a salary cap league where we do not get an advantage over anyone else in the draft or free agency (except maybe a slightly higher pick) what do you guy expect to change if we keep everyone? How many chances does Geno get? What has he done to show you that five more years of opportunities will make him into anything more than an average NFL starter? How do you look at his body of work so far and think "one day this guy will lead us to the Superbowl, he is the chosen one"? Please elaborate.
Most definitely would love to see Geno under a new offensive scheme. Watching so much of Geno in college i know he's a vertical QB that can make all the throws. I know it's hard to justify that the way he's played in the pro's but i've seen flashes of it ( no pun ). If we brought in somebody and Geno outplayed him for the job i'd be okay with that knowing this is under a new staff. However he'd be on a short leash for me.
QB Rating does not tell you who the better QB is - far from it. So you are telling me you would rather have Geno Smith then Bridgewater or Carr? Sheesh talk about mediocrity. Both QBs showed far more promise then Geno Smith. Marty is a very respected coordinator in this league and we ran him out because Geno can't read a defense. He'll get a job rather quickly.
