Sure, so you admit the line sucked, but place ZERO blame for Geno's performance on it. No doubt there were some times when Geno held the ball too long. But don't ALL QBs sometimes hold onto the ball too long? In one game against the Jets, Brady was sacked 4 times in a half. Did he hold onto the ball too long? Sure he did. But he also made some plays down the stretch that made everyone forget. "the amount of times I saw off-coverage on Decker..." So, based on your ONE observation, and no other information presented, this is supposed to prove that Geno can't read coverages? Perhaps the play was called to go in the other direction. Perhaps Geno didn't have the authority to audible out of it. But, to be sure, many QBs don't read every coverage correctly, especially if they are inexperienced. The question then becomes, how much is unacceptable? Clearly, in the Buffalo game, 3 INTs in a single half made it unacceptable. Geno, to his credit, took his benching and improved upon his performance. You guys want to jettison Geno when it's clear that for most of the season, his pass protection was very poor: if it was an obvious passing down, he got no time. Only in the last quarter of the season could any Jets QB count on having time on obvious passing situations (let's not forget that when Geno was benched, the OL got Vick injured in, like, 2 quarters). But, of course, once you made up your mind to pile on, no amount of contradictory evidence would change your opinion. I saw some improvement. I saw a QB that when given time, could make some throws. I'm willing to support the investment by upgrading the OL and receivers around him. If, after the Jets have done that Geno still sucks, then it's time to move on.
The offensive line deserves some blame - but not nearly enough as you believe. RT, LG, RG was awful this yr, but the times Geno held onto the ball 4+ seconds. A lot of QBs do this, but I feel Geno does it more than the majority of the league. Geno also has the ability to move the chains with his legs and avoid certain pressure. Geno didn't take advantage of his physical talent as much as I wanted to see. I'm sick of the plays down the stretch, I want to see the progression during the season when the stacks are high. The played blew chunks during the middle of the season when we had something to play for. He was benched twice. I've never seen a QB get benched as many times as Geno Smith and continue to see praise from Jet fans. You are settling for mediocrity. I don't see a starting QB in Geno - I never did. Off-coverage, read the defense and make a quick throw to the receiver and let him make a play. That's just an example of reading the defense. He has a hard time going through his reads - it's been that way since day 1. He's had so much trouble the coaching staff TOLD GENO where to throw the football prior to the snap, he was struggling THAT much. No one is confident in Geno Smith to make plays. Watch the first Dolphins game when the Dolphins had like no CBs. So much off-coverage and those CBs? They were practice squad guys. Geno certaintly did not help himself this yr. We can blame everything on the line, but at the end of the day what Geno could control is what Geno failed on. Already time to move on from Geno. 2nd string or 3rd string at best for this guy. To be honest, I prayed the night before the draft that the Jets wouldn't draft Geno Smith. I didn't much coming out of the draft and I thought the next year would be a better yr to get a QB.
So, how is it that they were "awful" yet I blame them too much? Three fifths of the line was "awful" yet I blame them too much? Let's move beyond the simplicities of "he held onto the ball too long" and think that, hey, if they were awful maybe their poor play had some latent effects. things like: down and distance: if the OL is not blocking well on first and second downs, it puts the entire offense at a disadvantage on third down. receiver targeting: if the OL cannot be counted upon to hold protections, the defense can concentrate of defending the quick throws. limiting the number of receivers in the pattern: if the line cannot be counted upon to hold protections, the OC has to compensate by sending fewer receivers out. Sure, holding onto the ball too long is not a good thing, generally, although if the OL can actually hold protection it can be a good thing. But, to my naked eye, there were many, many times, especially early in the year, when Geno had no shot whatsoever to set his feet for a pass. And this was sometimes when the defense sent all of 4 rushers.
So, clearly, your mind was made up before he arrived. Thanks for that admission. Now I know exactly what your sole agenda is: proving your prejudgment correct.
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/9/26/6847175/geno-smiths-slower-trigger Pretty much displays what I am talking about - just needed to find the article. This was after the Packers game, and I am sure that number went higher as the season went on. In this league you have to get the ball out quicker, especially on earlier downs. Geno is not decisive with the football, he is not accurate with the football, and he takes too long with the ball in his hands. This to me, is the kiss of death. We don't need to move on from the fact that he holds onto the ball too long. No need to break it down any further, or complicate it for yourself. What Geno controls on the field, is what he is a failure at. As I mentioned the offensive line needs work, but it's not the worst in the league. Geno does not have the worst offensive line in the league, it was enough at times to get the ball out of his hand, or make a change at the LOS to get this team ready to execute. Marty gave him that trust early on. I know who Geno Smith is as a QB, and it's not a very good one - I said it from the start. I've watched the game play for a number of yrs now starting at WVU - he's not impressive at all, the #s in college were fools gold. There's nothing about him that makes you think he can be a 10 yr starter in this league because intellectually he falls flat.
THis being a new year and so much of the future being up in the air due to not knowing who either the GM or HC are going to be at this point, I don't want to spend too much time talking about Smith. But it is amazing to me how he still seems to garner support from some here, mostly those who seem to accept from him a level of mediocrity that is hard to justify. Looking here and there for performances that tend, so it is argued, to put him in a good light is an effort that belies his performances two years in a row when the Jets still might have had a chance at the playoffs. He sucked both times. Meanwhile in both years he looked better when the season had already gone down the toilet, particularly against teams that had their own issues. To ignore the team's seasonal context is to give him too easy an out for poor performances when it counted more. In effect we can see in Smith someone who is too inconsistent when the team needs an acceptable level of performance from him. There is no reason to expect this will be a situatoin that significantly improves going forward. Meanwhile the downside of sticking with him is far too great. The Jets quite simply do not have enough invested in him to justify giving him more time as the uncontested starting Qb for the team.
Wow, if only some NFL team had your self-acknowledged QB evaluation skills. You would then be considered "employed by an NFL team". Until then, well, you have an opinion that you made up before Geno was drafted and, clearly, have no interest in moving beyond it. ALL QBs in their first couple of years are not as decisive or quick with their release as they will be as they mature. That is, if they are given the talent and the opportunity to improve. Geno may never be a good NFL QB. But NO starting QB would be a good NFL QB with the Jets OL and receivers as was constituted his first 1.75 seasons.
And your side is not opinionated? The guy sucks, we can have 5 pro-bowl lineman and Geno will still hold the ball longer than he should. You have to be able to make quick decisions in this league. Geno is too indecisive with the football. It hasn't gotten all that much better. If Geno displayed the ability to be an NFL QB, then I would greatly eat crow - I would love for the guy to succeed with the Jets, but the probability of that was low from the start. The Jets offensive line isn't the worst in the league. Let's not blame all of the issues on the line.
god DAMN Vinny Testeverde's second season was BOOTY... 35 picks is that the NFL record??! I hope that was a typo lol
Nobody said it was THE worst in football, but it surely was far from the best. And that's for two years running. Hell, it helped sabotage at least two QB's seasons for three years. And then there were the Jets receivers all of last year and most of this year: NOT world beaters, NOT injury-free, NO real consistent deep threats. And Geno DID display the ability to be an NFL QB. Or did you miss some of the Jets 8 victories two years ago and 4 victories this year? Again, you've made up your mind, ignore the good, dismiss the other surrounding talent deficiencies, and trumpet the negative ad nauseum even though we see that MOST QBs, including the good ones, are not very good their first couple of years...and that's WITH NFL caliber talent surrounding them.
Yep, year-by-year the Jets diminished the talent on both the OL and receiver positions. And Sanchez went from having great postseasons to butt fumbling. FIX THE SHITTY TALENT AROUND THE QB POSITION ALREADY!!
I was watching the 09 Playoffs on Saturday and was so sad to see how awesome our OL was (Brick, Faneca, Mangold, Moore, Woody) and how great Cotchery really was, which reminded me how stupid it was to let him go after we signed Plaxico.
okay, couple questions: 1. does anybody think we should cut Geno Smith? 2. does anybody think we should give him the starting job again? 3. if no to 2. does anybody think he should be allowed to try to earn the job again? my answers are no, HELL NO, and yeah sure.
I do agree that Wayne Hunter back in 2011 was the worst RT ever to play the game. I still again, don't really see much in Geno's game that tells me he's a long-term starter. I look at Teddy Bridgewater, and Derek Carr - look at the "talent" around them, yet they both produced better than any of Geno's first 2 seasons. They both showed far more promise. We need a QB that has the fundamentals established, I want my QB to be able to read a defense - is it zone or man? I want my QB to be smart on the field during crucial situations. Geno is far from that. How many sacks did he take that took us out of FG range? I don't want my QB to suck so much that the OC has to tell Geno WHERE to throw the ball on each passing down. Not much promise was shown from Geno Smith. There really isn't much to like, I mean the guy has a big arm, I guess he's got that going for him.
