Shit, I'm gonna go buy a uniform and "dress" for a few games. Not only will I be a good draft pick, I may get league minimum!
You can start with Mehta and Cimini. Just check their feeds for the entire season. Not just critical but personal. Of course they are both jokes. We all know that.
I am not talking about Monday Morning Quarterbacking -- I can be 100% at at that too, Jackass. Please provide me with the evidence where any expert graded any of those 3 picks at a C or worse or called the Jets out as making a BAD draft pick (when it happened) --- not 9 months later.
Go away already. And stop speaking as if you are the fan base. It's really annoying. Even if you represented the majority, it's annoying. You're like Al Sharpton.
Yeah, that's the saddest part. The average fan here thinks that a good draft is if you land 4 impact players or something in one year. When I went to look at various teams' actual draft history, it quickly became apparent that hitting on draft picks is very difficult, and if someone can land one impact player and maybe another 1 or 2 starters, that's a good draft. Often teams come away with literally nothing, a few bit players and that's it. When judged against that realistic standard, the 2013 draft is already looking good with one impact player and couple of starters, and the 2014 one looks like it will at the very least net us several starters (Pryor, Amaro, IK, Dozier).
Oh, I didn't say it was necessarily unfair. Only that it was, to my knowledge, unprecedented. I agreed with most of it.
Doesn't it matter what your record is when you count whether a player starts or contributes? the jets aren't in the upper echelon of talent or record. So, shouldn't it be easier get some impact players? Sure, if you're drafting for the 1975 Steelers, you're not likely to have many immediate impact players. But this Jets team is hardly the 1975 Steelers. There were plenty of opportunities for draft choices to contribute. And some did. A lot didn't. And some were so abysmal that you have to wonder why they were chosen. And when you say "...already looking good with one impact player and a couple of starters.." Shouldn't your starters be impact players?! There's no "saddest part". The draft we had was blah, coming on the heals of another blah draft. Again, we're not drafting at No. 32 or even No. 24. We were drafting in the teens and lower. And the talent we had really didn't wow anyone, especially last year. Hell, many of the picks didn't even make it to field or couldn't stay on it. Some, in important positions, were reaches. In all, nobody but the Idzik apologists see anything special about a large number of players. And, really, if we're talking about a player like Winters, we don't have to wait any more to say "he sucks". And then there's the notion that maybe you're not having a good draft if you draft several players for the same position--after spending FA dollars on other players for that same position--and none of those picks actually contribute. That's simply poor use of draft capital.
Do you really think he could rebuild the Jets in 2 years after a 6-10 and a shit load of bad contracts. And since when are draft picks immediate starters and contributors. Every team has a few exceptions like for example Richardson who was the best player in that draft. And since when are 4th round receivers guaranteed Pro Bowlers. They are all question marks and often times role players or extra receivers.
First of all, nobody told me Idzik was hired to "rebuild" the Jets. I was under the impression that the Jets were planning on winning. That was why Rex Ryan was retained after his 8-8 season. Hell, Idzik had a press conference in which he said he expected to win. So, I expected the Jets to win under his watch. 12-20 is not winning. And please stop mentioning "a shit load of bad contracts". There were A FEW bad contracts. And, really, they are irrelevant when one considers the Jets had over $20 million in cap dollars to spend...and didn't. Moreover, it's not just about the individual moves. It was, for me, the totality of moves. The totality of moves left the Jets with talent enough for maybe 6 wins. They finished with 4. This, after a season where they finished 8-8 and 6-10 the two previous years. There really was no definitive proof that the franchise was moving forward. Or that there was any urgency or acumen from the GM spot to move forward. What, exactly, is your reason for constantly arguing in support of since fired Idzik? He sucked. The team's record, the underwhelming drafts, his handling of free agency, NONE of it whelmed anyone that matters, never mind overwhelmed. The totality of his performance was not impressive. No, he wasn't Rich Kotite terrible. But he seemed clueless, overwhelmed, not inspiring confidence.
No, your record doesn't matter. Teams miss on all kinds of picks constantly. Higher picks simply guarantee higher odds of landing special players, but no certainties. Just look at some of the number 1 picks overall recently: Clowney, Eric Fisher, Sam Bradford, JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith. This is the first overall pick in the draft, and you are going to whine about mid round picks?
That's really the biggest problem with this fanbase. If you could look at our team right before Idzik came and not see the need to rebuild, but instead were under the impression that they ought to be winning, then I can't really help you.
You don't think it's a little ridiculous to credit idzik for contributions his draft picks are making on OTHER teams? I guess the bucs, Colts, and chargers GMs got mad props for Bo Jackson, John elway, and Eli. Hell, even in jets history, I'm sure the cardinals gm who drafted Namath got a contract extension..... Well, the Chargers did okay, but they sure came out with fewer VLTs than their trade partners.
I'm fine with you responding to the thread. It's when you make a comment like "the fan base did what was necessary". That's the bullshit I want you to stop with. You don't represent the fan base. You represent a subset of the fan base, and even that is pushing it. So do not go claiming that you are speaking on behalf of all jets fans. As I said, you are the jets fan version of Al Sharpton. You found your podium, and many of the people you claim to represent don't care. Again, respond to the thread all you want, as long as what you write isn't the grandstanding BS that I've come to expect.
just thought i would put this up here, since it relates to JI: http://www.footballperspective.com/john-idzik-fired-and-rebuilding-in-new-york/ food for thought. I especially like one of the comments below by "jason".
So, because other teams fail, it's supposed to be acceptable for the Jets GM to fail? Those picks aren't the Jets picks, so, no I'm not going to whine about them. The notion that failure is acceptable is not something I or Jets management is supporting. I'm not whining about anything. I'm looking at the record and seeing failure. You're the one whining about Idzik being fired...for cause.
I wasn't asking for your help. I'm under the impression that the Jets, after 8-8, with a competent GM working competently, should be better than they were, more talented than they are. And so was ownership. If that somehow offends thee, well, too bad. Maybe someday you'll be in charge of a business or team. Then, maybe you'll accept failure like you're all to willing to do here. And then I'll say "I really can't help you..."
If it's not too late, I think the FireIdzik billboard guys should see if we can get one up this week for FireCasserly and/or FireMarrone. What a disaster Woody Johnson is. BTW, Goodell steered Casserly to the Jets because he's buddies with Bob Kraft and they knew Casserly would set the team back another couple years. Only in the NFL and Politics can you fail your way up the ladder.
I cannot believe there are people here defending this guy. Look at what this fucking muppet said during his mid-season press conference about the cap situation and his horrible fucking drafting, and his complete inability to find corners for this team: 15:34 He has no fucking idea what he's doing, what he's saying, or what's going on. Completely clueless, "now and into the future". Look at him. For two years he was running the show as a bean counter, and I'll give it to him, he did good saving the team money. Unfortunately for everyone, it led us into this disaster of a season. He couldn't leave the Jets fast enough for me.
