I want to open by saying the inspiration for my first thread on here was a comment I just heard on Sports Center. I have been watching this forum for the last 6-8 years and don't really buy into internet chat, but I see so many opinions on here, with everything from front office and personnel selections that should be made, to how much a seat should cost. The opinions are so lengthy and detailed, I'd swear they were part of the organization. Secondly, I am Australian and been in the US 11 years and extremely far from being an NFL expert, but I am a man of logic. All my junior sport played was 11 years of Rugby League. NFL is my followed sport now as I used to follow the Newtown Jets back home. The choice is obvious. Of all the teams I could have picked in the NFL!, but I am staying the course. Ironically, the "Blue Bags" (Newtown Jets), were just as frustrating. I guess misery loves company. Blue collar team in a blue collar town followed by a blue collar guy! Ok, onto my point for discussion. The comment was "as per usual, when a college team looses for the first time, the wheels tend to fall off". This makes a lot of sense to me, as our track record has indicated over the last 5 years. We have high picked 2 QB's that have come out of winning systems and we are heading to a potential (slim) third QB selection from a winning system (if we trade up). Is there any value, in looking at a QB that has come from a top 25 team , that may NOT have won. A QB that has tasted loss, and he knows how to prepare with the right coaching. It seems to me, that these young kids who come from the top college's, have no preparation for how to handle defeat. When they land in the NFL, if they end up starting year 1 (like Jet QB draft picks do), they lose a couple out of the gate, and seemingly never really learn how to play in the NFL until year 3 or 4. Sanchez is a good example. He was given a great offensive line and he had a couple of receivers years 1 and 2. So winning blood was still flowing through him from college. Then we had some departures and a WR who pissed and moaned like a bitch b/c he wasn't getting the ball every play. We now have a very ordinary team across the board. Does it makes sense to get a QB out of the draft that will grow with the team (2nd or 3rd pick), and use our top pick on other needed positions. FWIW - a little research of QB draft picks back to 1996, shows anyone who is/has performed with a medium to top level of longevity in the NFL, is a heavily weighted scale and has come out of the eastern part of the country. My final point is, why chase one of the top 2 QB's by giving up rebuilding draft picks, to ultimately throw him into a man's game and watch his career completely de-rail while we all discuss on here what QB to pick in 2018, after we throw away our R1 or R2 picks for the next 2 years on a guy we may just destroy.
Nice post, I agree, don't chase unless someone is a stud, and I don't think either of these 2 are worth trade up costs
I would hate to trade up,Its gonna cost to much to move up and its not as if an Andrew Luck type is there.I love Mariota but I've made my peace with the fact that we won't be getting him, let's keep all our picks and hope we can find a QB in rounds 2-4.Hoyer would be a good stop gap until we rinse wash and repeat for the next 37 years
Great to have you posting here Roo. It's one of the most difficult things in talent evaluation in any sport - spotting the good player who is struggling because of poor talent around him. I do agree that a few losses can make a young player grow up, or at least not be completely shocked when the losses start coming at the next level. I hope the Jets go for a QB in the third round or later and use the higher picks to firm up the offensive line. Getting Brick and Mangold back in 2006 set us up nicely and I would love to see something similar again.
I think most people, at least from what I've seen on here anyway, believe that Mariota or Winston aren't "start right away" type guys. There's no way you could convince me that MM could be successful in his rookie year. I've been one of the biggest MM supporters all year, but even I understand that he's nowhere close to being an Andrew Luck type prospect. He has his flaws and things he needs to work on, just like every other college QB to get drafted, but I believe he has the highest ceiling of any QB since Luck. Winston has a better chance of being a starter his rookie season, but even with that, I think he needs to sit his rookie year(or at least most of it). Like Mariota, he has things he needs to work on but the more I watch Jameis, the more I like him as a prospect and potential first round pick. I just want a franchise QB, and he doesn't have to be Peyton or Luck or Rodgers. Give me Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, hell I'd take Eli at this point(ok, probably too far, but you get the gist). Just give me someone that doesn't make me want to chug bourbon whenever I see him take the field. Our offense is never going to get better unless we get a good/great QB. We've seen what happens when you have everything else built with no franchise QB, you make a couple deep runs, put yourself in cap hell, and that's pretty much it, you start over. A franchise QB can lead to sustained success though, and isn't that what we all want as Jets' fans? A team that has a chance to win every Sunday? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe neither MM or JW are franchise QB's, even in the Wilson/Ryan context. I still feel like you have to take that chance, especially in the QB-driven league we have today.
I don't draft a Qb this year. Geno is our draft pick or developing player. I don't want to go back to square one after suffering with Geno and hoping he learns how to play the position. I hope he's on a learning curve that is going up. I sign a Matt Moore or another viable vet like Shaun Hill for 2015. And go with the Buffalo formula and start them. If Geno regresses he's out and we draft another Qb in '16.
I don't think they have roster space for a mid or higher round Qb. In that they will only carry 2 Qbs on their active roster (and one on the PS- who you have to assume is going to be Simms since he just re-signed for more money than a rookie). They did draft Tajh Boyd and maybe they'll bring him back to training camp but so far he wasn't signed to a futures contract.
i think better odds are on rolling with 3 qb's in 2015, vet, rookie and smith. they'll want more options not less, unless a coach is just that bullish over a new free agent qb or geno.
With the new rules from a few years teams are only keeping 2 on their active roster.Most of the season Simms on the PS was exposed and could have been signed by another team. I'm surprised Arizona didn't give him a shot.
The thing to remember is that QB's not picked in the 1st round or very close proximity are much less likely to become a franchise QB. There are exceptions, including Russell Wilson recently and Tom Brady in 2000 but picking after pick 36 or so has a very high chance of producing nothing, whereas a player at a position other than QB taken in the 2nd or 3rd round has a fairly high chance of becoming a starter and some chance of becoming a star player.
Rather pass on the first round QBs and draft an offensive lineman or WR. We got holes all over the team. I would prefer a veteran at the QB position next season.
Nice post..welcome to the forum, mate. I would not under any circumstances trade up for one of these 2 QBs.
Shhhhhh...you and I agree again! People are going to talk!!!! Here's the thing. The damn kid (Geno) HAS the ability...he HAS the aptitude. If he didn't he would look like Ryan Leaf ALL the time as opposed to one minute looking like the next coming of a solid franchise QB mixed into a whole lot of Jamarcus Russell. Let me tell you...if we could find a QB Coach that could extract whatever we saw in the Dolphins game and make it show up about 95% of the year...we'd be in business. Not sure if it's possible but maybe worth a try. However after all this coaching crap shakes out...someone needs to get on the horn to Marc Trestman and keep him in the loop.
Your watching someone else. He was a 4 year starter who averaged 64.5% completion rate. Freshman 64.5 Sophmore 64.7 Junior 66.3 Senior 62.3 1187 completions out of 1838 passes for 64.58% and a QB rating of 135.3 over 4 years
