Absolutely he was. Herm was a fucking buffoon who inherited a talented team and ran it into the soil. Mangini was way better, much better preparation and beat Belifaggot as many times as Herm did in half the time.
Probably says more about our franchise history then him as a coach. No surprise why when the names of ex-coaches now on TV come up for potential jobs , he isnt included the way Gruden and Cowher are.
so, basically, to support your hatred, you refuse to look at the positives...and you support Mangini, a two-time loser and present "TEs coach". I think it says more about your closemindedness than anything. Herm Edwards' teams routinely were the least penalized teams and they mostly improved as their seasons went along. No, like Rex Ryan teams, they didn't have the homerun sexy--hell Herm actually invented Ground and Pound--but they fought and gave me some thrills. And just like Rex Ryan, they were undone by a shitty OL and lack of QB.
Herm Edwards is a two time loser as well, skip. He fucked up the Chiefs operation after inheriting talent there too. Herm coached two 4-12 seasons, that's improving in your books? Mangjni is currently coaching. Herm is not. Don't get it twisted, I don't think Mangini is the second coming of anything. He's just way better than Herm.
Except when it mattered; then, in his ONE playoff game, he got schooled. And coaches don't "run teams into the ground" Poor GMs do.
Mangini is coaching TEs, where is that on the scale of coaching? One step above punters? Herm is on TV. I'll take the latter... As far as the KC thing goes, a ton of coaches have done squat with that "talent".
Honestly Herm and Mangini were both below average head coaches in my opinion. Me saying Id prefer Mangini over Herm is more of a testament of how bad I thought Herm was then me "supporting" Mangini. Rex is far and away better than both of em. A total upgrade over the garbage we've had since Parcells. And now we'll be downgrading.
Mangini is about to get an interview with the Raiders for another HC job. Yeah, Herms on TV for a reason. and actually KC was doing pretty well with Vermeil before the Herm error.
This is simply untrue. Even if the GM is given the final say on personnel (should the owner allow them that authority) the head coach has a great deal of input when pounding the table for specific players or areas of need. A GM that ignores his head coach and makes decisions in a vacuum is not only more likely to be wrong but is sticking his neck out a long way if those decisions turn out to be bad ones. Tanny became an expert at pushing cap dollars further out into the future to please head coach after head coach that just had to win now. There is no way in hell that the Jets use seven consecutive first round picks on defensive players without Rex Ryan demanding it.
who exactly did Mangini develop? guys like Revis and Harris thrived once Rex got here. we weren't even a top half D with Mangini. With a very similar roster, Rex had them top of league. all the more reason Rex is a better coach than Mangini. not to mention Mangini had Favre, Rex had a rookie Sanchez.
I've been thinking about making a similar poll. I just don't know how it would be perceived with the Idzik firing so fresh. Who would you rather have as GM? Tanny? Or Idzik? Anyway I voted Rex..obviously.
Once a person's comment is about how the coach "has a great deal of input" when they have no evidence of it, I turn off. You don't know what level of input the coach had. And it's irrelevant!! the GM's job. It's not the coach's. the coach coaches the team. You don't blame the GM when a timeout is misused. And you can't blame a coach when the talent isn't there. Enough of this "coach had input therefore the GM is off the hook on talent acquisition. It's a copout and is only employed when someone despises the coach.
NO FUCKIN BODY!! And, funny, a name that should forever be tied with Mangini is conspicuously missing: Vernon Gholston. He didn't develop him, did he? The man had ONE playoff game. ONE. And left in the middle of the night.
BTW, Herm had as many playoff seasons as Rex Ryan. I was willing to place Ryan above Herm, but, really, their teams were quite similar, except one guy was hated from Jump and the other it took four additional seasons.
I love how everyone who defends Mangini brings up his eye for talent and great drafting acumen. The guy was a first time coach with a year as DC under his belt. He did not have anywhere near the pull this board thinks he did. And how come nobody brings up his great Cleveland drafts when it would make sense for him to have a large say since the Browns nearly tripped over themselves to sign him after he was canned here? Oh because they were terrible. Do we not remember this guy trading down 12 spots for Brett Ratliff and other filler
Herm wasnt great by any stretch but at least he knew he had deficiencies and attempted to use his staff to help, hence Dick Curl.
Football is the ultimate team sport. With eleven guys on each side of the ball you could have the best player in the history of the NFL and still end up with a losing record. The head coach, the general manager, the assistant coaches, and the scouts are part of a team. Yes, there is a hierarchy. Yes, someone ultimately pulls the trigger and makes the decision. If a general manager has the authority to make a decision (I am not sure that Jerry Jones or the late Al Davis gave their GMs free reign here) they are ultimately responsible, To say that the head coach (especially a big name coach loved by his team's owner that the GM does not have the authority to hire or fire) has nothing to do with the decision making process is naive. You do not have to hate Rex Ryan to hold him accountable for the success or failure of the team and its personnel while he was the head coach.
Herm ran a tight ship and kept penalties to a minimum. He also made bad decisions and threw both players and coaches under the bus. His inexperience having jumped from secondary coach to head coach may have played a part in the poor decision making.
No, you have to be confused as to who should be held accountable for the failure to acquire talent, a GM responsibility. Yeah, you can hold a coach accountable for the actions on the field and in preparation for those actions--the game plan, the practices, going to Dave and Busters. You cannot rightly hold the coach accountable for the picks the GM makes, regardless of the influence you SPECULATE the coach has. And, again, people only bring out the "influence" argument when they want to denigrate the head coach. Yeah, football is like any endeavor. People assume positions and those positions have specific duties and responsibilities.
