So much for consistency..

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  1. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Looks like that theory is being ignored not only by the bottom feeders of the league, but even the middle of the roaders and one elite team too.

    Lets look at the upheaval this year. The Jets and Bears did a complete reboot of their franchises. Atlanta dumped its HC and even Frisco agreed to let Harbaugh out of his contract. Throw in Buffalo with Marrone opting out and what you have is change on a mega scale.

    Evidently, teams aren't as afraid of change as they used to be. It changes the dynamic completely as FO's and CS's now have to show results in a much shorter time frame than they used to. Could be because of the price of the tickets or the amount of cash inflow due to swag and TV revenue but is there any franchise in the NFL that can stand pat after an extended period of losing? I highly doubt it.

    There are those that still cling to the stability mantra even in the face of extended losing. They point to winning teams as examples of why stability works. They tend to ignore that at some point, you have to start winning before you can become a consistent winner. You have to discover that winning formula before you can implement it year after year. Until your franchise does find it, its back to the lab to try, try again.

    That's where the 2015 NYJ's find themselves. We had to go in a different direction. Repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result, especially when what you've been doing has produced dubious results at best, is the very definition of insanity.

    Now the real test is how Woody handles this crossroad in the fortunes of his franchise. I just hope he's learned SOMETHING from the past so he doesn't repeat the mistakes he's already made.
     
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    VegasMav Well-Known Member

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    I think and hope Woody has finally realized that he should be in it for the trophy and not just the money. Build a team that wins a Super Bowl and the money will follow. The fact that he requested the aid of knowledgable football guys instead of a "search firm" tells me he's been listening to us the fans. Let's see what develops in the new year going forward.
     
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    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    The longer this "search" drags on, the more I think Woody is gonna fuck this up by having the exact same organizational structure he had with Idzik and Ryan. That is, both GM and HC reporting directly to King Woody. It didn't work then, its not gonna work now, it ain't ever gonna work for the Jets. Why does this man always choose the wrong way to go about shit?

    Up until now, I've kinda given King Woody the fisheye when it came to his thinking regarding the Jets. Now? I'm just about convinced that when it comes to owning and running a sports franchise, King Woody is dumber than a box of rox.

    If somehow this billionaire blind squirrel gets this right, I will be glad to eat a plate of smoked crow in front of everyone. Time will tell but it won't take that long..

    It's Woody's $2B toy to play with. We're just along for the ride.
     
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    It hasn't even been a week lol. R-E-L-A-X
     
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    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    AJ, after all these stories coming out about how he'd duplicating the exact same structure he just dismantled? Relax? Sure..
     
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    Yes. I think the fact that we're doing this with respected football people make me feel better. I also think command structure is fine. Give both coaches a 4 year contract and let them live and die together
     
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    That is the only saving grace here. At least Woody isn't going to LinkedIn or Ladders to find his GM. I hope you're right man.
     
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    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    It's possible the people Woody wants are not available yet. I don't think time is a huge issue, we have a few weeks to put together our FO and HC.

    It leaves us speculating and nervous, but so what.

    And I don't think Woody ' s stewardship has been as bad as has been portrayed...other than the Tebow deal.
     
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    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    I agree. I don't want to see them rush this because of some perceived deadline. I'm hoping Woody just gets out of the way at this point and lets his football advisers do their jobs. He really needs to stop injecting himself into the process.
     
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    C man I am so with you on this,,,,I wish we had the G M in place and he hired the coach. I wish Woody would just step back and let a football guy or guys run this,,,,,I hope we don't get played by coach or gm candidates that use us for leverage . I want the right guys for the job and I know this is a process but let's be real our history shows we cannot get it right and we hit singles and doubles but have not hit a home run in over 40 years !
     
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    Not a big Boomer E. Fan but I quote him from Inside the NFL I just watched,

    "Watching the Woody Johnson press conference, the more he opened his mouth I realized he just doesn't get it"
     
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    That statement mirrors one of the major problems that exists in football today. QB's have to show something much sooner today than in eras bygone. Unfortunately, not much has happened at the college level to support having these kids come in "pro ready." Only TWO QB's have come in in recent memory and have essentially "knocked it out of the park" right away and then followed that up with sustained success. Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson. Let's take a look at those two. Andrew Luck, people forget, was GROOMED and trained by Jim Harbaugh at Stanford. Russell Wilson is coached by a coach who excelled at the college level and who is surrounded by supreme talent on both sides of the ball. One could argue that Colin Kaepernick fits in this group but look at what happened to him once Harbaugh became mentally "disengaged" from the 49'ers.

    Yes, everyone is banging the drum for instant results and the barometer seems to be right about 4 years, as you mentioned. Problem is that most QB's aren't "getting it" until year 3 or 4. I REALLY hate to say it but that's why Geno's late season swoons are so tantalizing. We have to remember the guy just completed ONLY his 2nd year...and had a mess around him for those two years. I wonder how good he could be if he was like Aaron Rodgers and sat for 3/4 years first. Who knows.

    Now, having set the stage...Wood does NOT have "weeks" to get his people! Stop blowing sunshine up your own asses. He has DAYS... Unless his next set of coaches is 100% absolutely certainty still playing he better hire quickly. We were all whining just days ago about how the candidate pool sucks and now we add one more team, in the Bills, to the mess. Marrone is an idiot. To simply opt out of a gig where you were just making headway is insane. Much like the 49'er gig...your goal in the NFL is to WIN...ONLY...not make a bunch of friends. I don't care if you walk in the door and the Administrative Assistant at the desk says "fuck you" on a daily basis...if you are winning who gives a shit. For those thinking Marrone is some grand find...pfffftttt...if he were that grand of a find he'd be somewhere other than Buffalo. He's just as mediocre as all the other candidates available and all of those candidates couldn't carry Rex Ryan's jock on the defensive side of the ball...and as a Head Coach just as unknown or with as many known flaws.

    Shit...I digress again! Woody needs to ride his two consultants hard and pull the trigger FAST!!!! Again, unless they know their candidate is on a team still playing I expect, at the very least, a GM candidate being hired QUICKLY!!!! Besides...they need to get busy preparing for this coming season.
     
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    I agree 100% with this...and I have to be honest people...the man is young enough to own this team the rest of my lifetime. If he fucks this "round" up I'm just not sure what I'm going to do going forward...
     
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    Good Morning & Happy New Year. Just woke up & I can't believe this is first thing I'm doing in the new year.

    Anyway, this is a comment I would expect from Boomer, a variation of the "Jets always bad" theme. Its been a big ratings grabber for him and others and I'm sure he and others won't give it up so easily. Here's the thought process "Let me see...Rex is gone, Idzik is gone, who can I bash for a quick sound bite...oh, I know, I'll kill Woody!"

    Really, what did Woody say or do in this press conference that was so bad? Did Boomer enlighten us with what he thought could've been said to show that Woody "got it"? Because even guys like Metha & Cimini have cut him some slack this week. Of course, I'm sure, once the decision is made, Woody will get bashed.

    I know we have a long history of things going bad. I've been waiting 46 long years since the last Super Bowl. And it wasn't exactly a picnic before they won... '66 & '67 were both very disappointing years (IIRC). But one thing the fan base has to recondition itself for is to stop listening to these opportunistic blowhards bashing the Jets at every turn because it fits a narrative.
     
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    Not that I dont agree..but I wouldnt really base my Jet opinions too much off of what Boomer Esiason says.

    He's not exactly very fond of the franchise after the way his time here played out.
     
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    Woody said he will be choosing the HC.

    SCARY

    He's a little paranoid because he realizes that people know he's clueless.

    He should be a wallet and nothing more.
     
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    sell the team, woody.

    Go back to being just a billionaire scion.

    You are making the Leon Hess era look golden.
     
  18. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    BTW, scratch what I said about Metha cuting them slack. He's apparently all over twitter dumping on Marrone because he quit on Syracuse (MM's alma mater)

    Follow
    [​IMG]Manish Mehta‏@MMehtaNYDN
    RT @garymyersNYDN In the last 2 years, Doug Marrone quit on Syracuse, my alma matter and his alma mater, and now the Bills. #nyj
     
  19. JetsUK

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    the whole stability thing is kind of a false mantra - if you have a franchise QB you have stability (Pats, Packers, Steelers etc) if you don't have a franchise QB you don't have stability - the two things go hand in hand.
     
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    Th bold is an interesting point. You mentioned ticket price, TV, cash flow, swag, etc but this thing you've missed is social media. In today's 24/7 new cycle which included twitter and blogs and message boards, there is a lot more pressure on the owner, FO, and CS to get it right fast. I think social media is the answer to the question why so much inconsistency.
     

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