GM not hiring coach? Yikes

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by TheCoolerGlennFoley, Dec 29, 2014.

  1. bandwagon

    bandwagon Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    168
    Likes Received:
    58
    If by "future" you mean one season then yes. Coming into this season we had oodles of cash.
     
    Jake likes this.
  2. MexicanJet

    MexicanJet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2010
    Messages:
    2,261
    Likes Received:
    333
    Jets can't even fire problems to this organization right...
     
  3. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2005
    Messages:
    3,820
    Likes Received:
    331
    Woody hasn't learned a thing.

    All I can hope for as far as the GM is that whoever it is has no prior relationship with Bradway.

    I will pop open a bottle of champagne on the day the moron who gave us Doug Jolley / Mike Nugent / Jalen Saunders / Dewayne Robertson is fired from the New York Jets.
     
    #43 al_toon_88, Dec 31, 2014
    Last edited: Dec 31, 2014
  4. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2012
    Messages:
    5,356
    Likes Received:
    1,111
    Hey now Bradway was standing on a table with no shirt on screaming for Russell Wilson in 2012
     
  5. rohirrim665

    rohirrim665 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2008
    Messages:
    2,742
    Likes Received:
    686
    I agree, but I'm not optimistic about this GM/HC search so far. I hope I'm wrong, I have been many a time.
     
  6. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2002
    Messages:
    39,212
    Likes Received:
    33,463
    Again that old saying may bite us in the ass... "Careful what you wish for.."

    I was really hoping Woody would just take a back seat and let the football people run this talent search. If he's hellbent on hiring the next HC, I just hope he follows the recommendations of his advisors. I also have this nagging suspicion that Casserly really wants the GM job for himself which would create a bit of a conflict of interest.

    I just have a feeling Woody is gonna find a way to fuck this transition up. The man just can't help himself. I hope to God I'm wrong as I don't have another 40 years to wait on a SB.
     
    TNJet and 4jetfans like this.
  7. rohirrim665

    rohirrim665 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2008
    Messages:
    2,742
    Likes Received:
    686
    Would that be a bad thing? (serious question) Out of all the options out there, might he be best? I surrender my knowledge or lack there of when it comes to names of GM's and even potential coaches, but if the Jets hired Casserly I might feel ok about that, but once again what the hell do I really know.
     
  8. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2002
    Messages:
    39,212
    Likes Received:
    33,463
    I'm not sure either way. He's not the GM savant that Wolf was but I'm sure he'd be an upgrade over Idzik. I would like to think though that if he wanted the Jets job, he would have recused himself from the role he's in now when Woody offered it up.
     
    rohirrim665 likes this.
  9. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    13,631
    Likes Received:
    10,895
    Jets owner Woody Johnson said he will hire the team’s next head coach.

    “I think I’m going to ultimately be the one who hires the coach, but I will certainly listen to the new general manager,” Johnson said. “If that comes first, I’ll definitely do that.”
     
  10. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2002
    Messages:
    39,212
    Likes Received:
    33,463
    "Each of you take 10 steps, turn and then fire..."
     
  11. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    Messages:
    36,670
    Likes Received:
    14,472
    This has me worried as well. The last couple of teams Casserly has GM'd moved on for good reason.

    If Woody goes coach first he has to make that guy the point person for the organization. Then GM candidates will start to shy away and we'll either wind up with somebody the new coach wants or a default because we can't get anybody else to take the job. The default would be Casserly I think, or maybe Graves.
     
  12. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2002
    Messages:
    39,212
    Likes Received:
    33,463
    Machiavelli would be proud..:(
     
    BacktoQueens likes this.
  13. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2013
    Messages:
    5,223
    Likes Received:
    1,053
    Woody will probably listen to Casserly and Wolf. But the whole process is undermining (again) his future GM.
     
  14. jdon

    jdon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    2,481
    Likes Received:
    527

    I think we are coming face to face with a condition that will someday be referred to as "Woody Syndrome."
     
  15. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    Messages:
    36,670
    Likes Received:
    14,472
    Let's see how things go. I'm optimistic Woody and company will find the right answers this time around.
     
    jdon likes this.
  16. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    Messages:
    36,670
    Likes Received:
    14,472
    If Casserly and Wolf are advising Woody to hold off on hiring a coach unless the coach is going to be the main guy on the football side then they're doing right by us.

    What we can't afford really is for Woody to hire a neophyte coach, no matter how promising, and then try to get a GM with gravitas to back him up because that guy will not come to the Jets if the coach is already picked without his consultation.

    If Woody is going to hire an unknown coach, particularly a younger guy, first then I'm going to go back on a previous statement and say I think somebody like Bill Polian would be the guy you hired to oversee things for a few years. An older GM is not the best choice but if you're going to wing it with a young guy at HC who the GM did not pick then Polian would be a good failsafe.
     
  17. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2002
    Messages:
    39,212
    Likes Received:
    33,463
    I agree 100% with your assessment. I'm hoping Wolf balances out any ambitions Casserly might be entertaining. Wolf has already said he doesn't want another GM spot so his only interest in this is to give the best advice to Woody he can. Casserly? I really don't know. If he had come out with a similar statement, I wouldn't be suspicious.

    I also think that out of all the different combinations of GM and HC:
    (Order of hire is determined left to right)

    Rookie HC / Rookie GM would be the least desirable in this Market. Sadly, it could be the most likely outcome.
    Rookie GM / Rookie HC would be next least desirable however, this order of hire would be acceptable to most.
    Established GM / Rookie HC could work depending on the GM choice.
    Rookie HC / Established GM could work as in the scenario you pointed out.
    Established GM / Established HC would be the most desirable outcome.
    Established HC / Established GM would be far less likely to happen as no Established HC candidate would take a job without knowing the status of the GM first.
     
  18. jdon

    jdon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    2,481
    Likes Received:
    527

    I just wish Woody would back off a little. I realize it is his money but it is not his toy. A team is a trust, not merely a product. He seems to have a cockamamie set of management principles bent on dividing the team.
     
  19. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    Messages:
    36,670
    Likes Received:
    14,472
    Leon Hess was the most hands off owner you can imagine. I much prefer Woody's way of doing things. Every time you go around you learn something. Right now, with NFL assistance, Woody is the best shot we have at getting this thing straightened out. If he makes bad choices, well that will be unfortunate. I don't think Rex + Idzik was a bad choice. I think a lot of things that happened after that, a few of them completely out of the Jets control, turned it into a bad choice after the fact.

    I really wish John Idzik had just taken the questions at the bye and done his best to roll with the punches. I think he'd still be here if that was the case.

    How hard would it have been to say: "yes, if we'd known that Milliner was going to out for the year we'd have signed a CB."

    "No, I don't think you can afford to sign people as starters because other people might get injured."

    "Yes, we signed a bunch of depth players at CB, because we had too given our depth and none of them worked out well when thrust into a starting role."

    "No, I don't think a past injury is a predictor of a future injury, particularly when the shoulder was injured in college and the knee went in camp, or when an Achilles went out of nowhere, that's just bad luck."

    "Yes, we're guilty of being unlucky this year and I promise you that we'll be over-stocked next year to make sure that injuries don't take us down. We certainly have the cap space to do that in 2015 and it would be foolish to go into next year in the same posture we went into this year with knowing what happened."

    "I don't know if Geno Smith is the answer. Only Geno knows if he's the answer and he's not letting on just yet."

    "We're 1-8, of course we'll have another QB in camp next year alongside Geno (and others)."

    "Geno playing up through Buffalo was an organizational decision. Everybody was on board with it."

    "I fully support Rex and the current coaching staff and we'll do a better job of getting them players next year. We also expect some of the players returning from injury to make major contributions to the team."

    When the crowd is howling for blood you have to look them in the eye and you have to rebut the things you can and admit the mistakes and move forward. That's the situation John Idzik was in and the prepared talking points wasn't going to get him out of it. The only thing that was going to get him out of it was answering every question put to him until they ran out of questions to ask. Truthfully answering them.
     
    #59 Br4d, Dec 31, 2014
    Last edited: Dec 31, 2014
  20. jdon

    jdon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    2,481
    Likes Received:
    527

    When I read how bad that press conference was, I was so depressed that I refused to replay it. I feel bad for Idzik. He is clearly not a dope, and the way he was attacked was shameful. Like I have said, he did not get a fair chance, but he agreed to take a less than fair chance at success, so.......
     

Share This Page