They are both fired

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  1. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    How can you credit anyone but the GM for someone acquired via free agency or trade?
     
  2. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    I don't remember saying 1000 yards but he did get 210 his final game. But you're saying Idzik didn't get adequate receivers when he did. And this includes Percy Harvin who was not available before they got him. As for the draft he took a Db over a wide receiver. You were first in line to say he didn't adequately prepare in terms of the secondary. Of course hindsight in your case is 20-20. It's always easy to criticize after the fact.
     
  3. Clark Gaines

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    He got ONE adequate receiver when it mattered most. The other one he got when he had already cost one man--a man I love and respect very much, sniff--his job.

    Yes, it's very easy to criticize after the fact. Unfortunately, that's how it works sometimes. 12-20. That doesn't look like the record of a GM that did everything right.

    Can we all chip in and get you a "Keep Idzik" crying towel?
     
  4. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    You apparently being more impressed with Decker and Harvin aside, I'm not discrediting Idzik acquiring them just questioning calling them "hits".
     
  5. Clark Gaines

    Clark Gaines Banned

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    Exactly point: he credits Idzik for the WRs and blames Rex for Pryor.
     
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  6. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    This!!!
     
  7. Clark Gaines

    Clark Gaines Banned

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    Decker WAS ambulatory for many of the games...and did have that breakout game in Game 16...Harvin, unfortunately, was injured as much as he was on the field.

    Even when PCL inflates Idzik's record, it's still not impressive.
     
  8. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    We'll see in two years when you can give the Jets drafts an adequate grade. Btw he did draft wide receivers in 2014 and 2 are still on the roster. And if Pryor and Milliner and McDougle end up being good players you've rebuilt half of the secondary.
     
  9. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Pryor is a Idzik pick that screams Rex Ryan. Safety was a need coming into 2014 off season. How the safety plays on the field whether in cover or in the box is on the coaching staff. Verdict is out on whether Pryor will live up to first round status or not...Omg? Really haha

    Mm is terrible. It's well documented here. For starters why was Vick not prepared to play? How many touches did Powell have this season vs last (huge miss by the OC), how many touches were wrongfully given to Johnson (huge miss by OC) How many 15+ carries did ivory have in a game? (Huge miss by OC). If Geno is bad as this fan base loves to point out, why would you throw him 30+ times a game? Where is the HB screen, a staple in just about every other offenses play book? Green Bay before half, mm. TO in the Green Bay game, mm. 2nd New England game after int, worst play calling maybe ever by an OC in easy field goal position with your defense pitching a gem against Brady and Brady getting hit on just about every pass attempt, something Brady can't stand. Mm is a terrible evaluator of his own talent, he forces agenda on a team he doesn't have maybe the right personnel for and just makes baffling mistakes with game in hand.

    Mm was the worst part of the 2014 NYJ.
     
  10. Clark Gaines

    Clark Gaines Banned

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    My God, man. It was more than the draft. it was the draft, free agency, the previous draft, the 'meh' free agent signings, the rambling press conference, the record.

    Do you really think that some fucking billboards caused Woody Johnson to pull the plug on Idzik? It was 12-20 and watching a putrid offense and cornerbackless defense what done it.
     
  11. Clark Gaines

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    Um, I disagree: the first Miami game showed that you can't pretend it's 1948 and run a million times and then all of a sudden ask your QB to throw. And the second Miami game showed what a MM offense looks like when the OL actually protects.

    I don't remember exactly what happened in the NE games, except that the OL couldn't block up a FG attempt IN EITHER GAME. Oh wait, I DO recall a pass play being called that resulted in a sack that took them out of comfortable FG range.

    The OL was the worst part about 2014 IMO. But there were plenty of worst parts.
     
  12. James Hasty

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    Did we lose the game because of the pass attempts that we didn't make or because of the interception that Geno threw when we let him make one pass attempt too many?

    That game actually made a pretty good case for ground and pound.
     
  13. pclfan

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    It's pretty obvious. You're just trying to put all the blame on Idzik and none on Rex. Rex had lots of say in player personnel decisions before and after Idzik. And all of Idzik's first round picks were on D- two in the secondary.
     
  14. Clark Gaines

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    the Ground and Pound offense netted 67 rushing yards in the second half. and scored HOW MANY points? We lost because after they started loading the box we ran plays that put the QB in 3rd-and-longs the entire second half.
     
  15. JetsVilma28

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    The first Miami game shows that's how we should have been playing the entire season. I think It was 300+yds rushing that day. Complete control of clock and tempo of the game. Geno missed a beautiful PA to Harvin, the dagger of running the ball well. Still have to throw the ball, but with Geno never over 25x. Mm did a horrible job of managing the QB position.

    Yup, a smarter OC knows his Qb against New England. A smarter OC knows he has game in hand. Brady was getting smacked around all day. Mm calls a shotgun formation with no quick pass option for Geno. Geno, caught the fucking snap off his shoulder pads, he wasn't even ready for the play. Should have been a screen, quick pass to the flats or a run. Maybe pick up the first down, most likely run off a chunk of clock and most likely make the easier field goal to put us up by 2. Kick off to Brady who now has to pass (since we missed the kick bb ran the ball so we couldn't hit Brady anymore) would have got hit again and likely folded.

    There is no mistake the OL is awful. Brick has regressed, the younger guys are young. 70% of this off season should be committed to the offense.

    Mm is worst in IMO, he let winnable games slip away at crucial missed coaching opportunities in games.
     
  16. Clark Gaines

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    If he did have "lots of say" then Idzik's a bigger idiot than even you make him out to be.

    I'm not putting blame where it doesn't belong: I've stated the Rex deficiencies numerous times: didn't grow as a HC--still calling defensive signals; didn't develop the offense; too chummy with players; defensive calls were, at times, ridiculous considering down and distance; poor game/challenge management. Those are Rex's COACHING deficiencies. I don't blame Idzik for them.

    And I don't blame Rex for Idzik's personnel gaffes, which I've already stated so many times I'm sure you're aware of what I think they are, because that's what the Jets paid him to do: acquire talent. I don't blame his subordinate for his selections.

    As mentioned on several news outlets, THEY BOTH WERE FIRED!!
     
  17. Clark Gaines

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    If there's no mistake the OL is awful, no amount of OCing is going to change a pig's ear into a silk purse. I can't really take the effort to dispute what you say. and youre probably right. But I think an OC is in a jam here: there were many games where the Jets OL didn't run block all that consistently. So, you really have to call plays for situations. If you're running first and second down and gaining 3-4 yards total, you put your QB in a losing situation. Plus, while the OL wasn't good, neither were the downfield threats the Jets had.

    You make some valid points, but I think there were a lot of contributing factors in this debacle of a season. I think many of Rex Ryan's defensive calls were abject failures and lost games, too.
     
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  18. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    Idzik did draft some O-linemen, about 5 of them and several have played significant snaps and others are still in the organization and developing. I know you want instant gratification but sometimes it takes a few years and a chance to play for players to develop.
     
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  19. The 1985er

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    You don't have to agree. It's the truth. The candidates that will take the job are desperate. Legit candidates will have options.
     
  20. Clark Gaines

    Clark Gaines Banned

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    I think most just wanted the Jets to show improvement in the near term.
    Says you, based solely on your own negative speculation. A strong candidate may view this position as an opportunity: Surely the owner is stuck with the next GM for more than two years. The next GM will have the opportunity to hire his own staff. The next GM has the sixth pick in many rounds of the draft. The next GM has $40 million in cap space.

    The next GM could be a person of strong character who will view this job as his greatest opportunity.

    But, be a Same Old Jets Fan and look only at some irrelevant negative.
     

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