They are both fired

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  1. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    dude he's already unpacking boxes in Ann Arbor and shopping for khakis to go with his royal blue shirts.. that ship has sailed already..

    we also landed on the moon too in case you didn't realize
     
  2. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Wrecks act has grown increasingly tired each season , each game...lets get a real coach who isn't a buffoon...
     
  3. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    In 2016 they'll be fired and rinse and repeat.
     
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  4. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Of course they are taking credit for it. it looks like our Owner fired Idzik bc the sentiment of the fan base was dead set against Idzik. Big picture it was way too early to properly judge Idzik performance. No GM walks into the mess he was handed and doesn't have to navigate through some major obstacles.

    As it stands Idzik missed some, hit some and some are still undetermined; it was a short life here.
     
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  5. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    you really believe none of that stuff didn't play a role in the firing of Idzik?
     
  6. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    He got tame and started bowing down to the people he use to call out **cough, cough Bellichick.
     
  7. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    if you have some kind of personal animosity towards someone and a crybaby refusal to let it go you will believe anything you want
     
  8. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I know that he's going to Michigan. But he still is someone that is a better candidate and at least potentially could be the new HC. But you're trying to deflect. That's obvious. Just admit it...you're in love with Rex.

    Yes, I don't like Casserly, but understand why he was hired (He's on the NFL Leadership Development Council or whatever it's called). He was a terrible GM. Thank God Woody had enough sense to hire Ron Wolf, one of the best GMs of the last 20-30 years. Hopefully, Woody will ignore Casserly and listen only to Wolf.
     
  9. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    I think Woody would have made decision regardless of any stupid plane or billboard.
     
  10. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

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    2014 draft may go down as one the best WR classes in recent memory. I was dead wrong on Beckham, obviously. Mike Evans is a beast. Cooks is a playmaker. The other guys all look solid (Matthews, Allen Robinson, Marqise Lee).

    We were (and still are, thanks to Idzik) destitute at the WR position, and yet somehow end up with Calvin Pryor and Jace Amaro.

    Just one of many reasons Idzik deserved to get cannned...
     
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  11. LAJet

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    IMHO. The scouts will be allowed to complete their tenure and reassessed after the draft by the new GM. The key to success is not to fire the scouts now, BUT to get a savvy GM that is intimate familiar with football operations, the draft and personnel selection and make THE FINAL DECISION ON WHO TO DRAFT AND HOW TO BUILD THIS TEAM. He can overrule any recommendation if and only if he knows his shit cold.
    If we do not get such a GM and Bradway has final say God only knows what the outcome will be. Further without a top notch GM, it wont much matter who the HC is, because in this league you can't win without talent, starting with a damned good QB and it takes smart GM to develop that foundation.
     
  12. LAJet

    LAJet Well-Known Member

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    There is absolutely nothing wrong with Amaro or Pryor, both will be key assets for the Jets, but I do agree that missing on the WR was criminal.
     
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  13. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    You have it backwards. What the Leafs, Devils, and Oilers (and some NBA and MLB teams) have done is hire data analytics experts, not some intern to compile mock drafts and draft by mock consensus. Applying analytics to sports is actually quite complicated, not simple. It involves using data and statistics to determine future performance. It has added new statistical measures to hockey, like CORSI and Fenwick ratings (things that measure puck possession) PDO (a huge improvement over plus/minus that measures shooting percentage plus save percentage to determine whether a player is merely lucky rather than hot ). The Kings were one of the first teams in the NHL to use analytics and have won two Cups in three years. Take a look at Nate Silver's 538 website. The NFL is behind other sports when it comes to analytics because of the nature of the sport. Football is not as amenable to statistical analysis. This analytics revolution, which got its start in sports with Billy Beane and Moneyball, does not simplify scouting and does not replace scouts with interns who read the internet. It adds an additional element to scouting that does not replace, but adds to the eye and smell test used by scouts. Neither you not TN Jet will be getting that Jets GM or scouting job any time soon and run the draft and scouting from your ipad down in your basement.
     
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  14. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    He hit Decker and Harvin though. And he opened huge cap to spend in this year Free Agency.

    Don't you remember the offense before Idzik: Holmes, Nelson/Hill, Kerley (that was brutal)

    At least we moved the football this year, picking up first downs, save the redzone.

    Did this whole fanbase not say we need a safety after 2013. wasn't Pryor highly touted? Does Pryor not scream Rex Ryan pick?
     
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  15. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    Rex may have been gone and Idzik would've gotten the chance to pick his own coach.
     
  16. pclfan

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    When the final report comes out on both drafts Idzik presided over maybe the guy did a good job. Impossible to judge 2014 right now even if fans like you who only live for the moment are unwilling to be fair and balanced.
     
  17. truthbtold

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    The league is filled with great assistant coaches who are waiting for an opportunity. There may actually be many better candidates than a guy with a losing 6 year record. This "coaching experience" thing is a crock of shit. Look at all the playoff teams this season. The vast majority of them are coached by guys who had no head coaching experience when they were hired. I'd much rather hire a young guy looking for his first opportunity, than some re-tread who's been kicking around the league for years. That's what scares me about hiring dinosaurs like Casserly and Wolf as consultants. They might also share this "experience" mindset and steer Woody towards a career loser like Jim Mora Jr. If that happens, forget about the SB for the foreseeable future.

    Please bring in a young coach with a fresh attitude, and start to build something.

    As far as Rex being a scapegoat ... He's the head coach. That's the way it goes. You don't get to hold your hands up and say "not my fault". When you have a dogshit offense for years, atrocious special teams, the worst Red Zone defense in the league, and the worst 3rd down defense in the league, you can't tell me the coach isn't part of the problem. Not to mention 6 years of ridiculous penalties, fire drills on the field, wasted challenges, and time management issues. Make no mistake --- He's earned this firing. Nice guy. Great motivator. Good defensive coordinator. Bad head coach.
     
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  18. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Very good post and my original post was not really meant to disagree with your points above..

    all I am saying is that the expensive scouts in NFL circles right NOW aren't thinking outside the box and aren't much doing much work different than your average scouting website - in some cases they are doing a worse job by focusing too much on combines and stuff. I'd even venture to say they read internet mock drafts/scouting reports more than people realize/would imagine. My point wasn't to specifically endorse the Jets following the simplified practice of hiring an intern and compiling mock drafts but rather to say that things right now are so archaic that that process could easily be just as successful.

    I agree the NFL is way behind other sports when it comes to analytics and what I am saying is that if a certain internet site or whatever could do better analysis- the simplified practice of hiring them would be a good idea. I don't know anything about walter football specifically.

    I totally disagree with you though about football not being as amenable to statistical analysis. I think the analytics revolution will take hold in the NFL in the future in time and I hope the Jets are at the forefront of that.
     
  19. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    Chad gained some weight. Didn't recognize him at first.
     
  20. JetsUK

    JetsUK Well-Known Member

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    it does slightly bother me that with Harbaugh gone probably the #1 HC candidate available is the guy we just fired - not really sure what they are going to do to improve things but I accept it was time for a change given recent performances

    still given our criminal need for improvement at the QB position Brian Kelly would be an interesting prospect as someone that might finally be able to sort that perennial problem.
     

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