Idzik is definitely getting a raw deal, he hasn't had a chance to fulfill his plans imo or even bring in his own guy. But I don't really give a fuck. Blow it up Woody.
It blows my mind how many people actually say Idzik should have any chance in any way of staying with this team. He is the worst GM I've ever seen.
Rex had a lot of good times, but too many bad times. I can see him going, but I just hope they replace him with someone better. I agree that at least this is decisive and quick, instead of letting it linger until all of the good HCs/GMs are gone. Get out there, make your pick, get the best available GM, HC & assistants you can early. But they still have to be the right hires, so I'll be crossing my fingers that they don't fuck this up all over again, as we always seem to do. I feel like Idzik got fired 2 years into a 4 year plan, but, he was shaky enough that I don't think I wanted to see years 3 & 4 play out, either. With 2 more years and cap space to spend, had Milliner & Geno worked out the way Sheldon Richardson did, you could see a scenario where Idzik was on the right path. Only, Milliner has been a question mark and Geno Smith did not really work out, so we've basically been treading water ever since Idzik started. Rebuilding is fine, I'm ok to give the team a year or two to improve if we're going to come out contenders on the other side of it, but going into a season with no WRs last year and no CBs this year ultimately cost the guy his job. Both were mistakes that doomed our seasons. Yes, he was trying to get us out of cap hell and did that, but the 19 minute mid-season ramble-thon didn't give you any confidence that he was going to be able to learn the lessons from years 1 & 2 to make year 3 worth sitting around for. Just this last year, without trading up for an Odell Beckham or anything crazy, had he drafted Kelvin Benjamin or Jarvis Landry to pair with Eric Decker, we'd have had two legit WRs, allowing us to run a balanced offense and maybe then we don't look like a mess out there. With 12 picks that we only ended up getting value from 1 of, we got almost nothing out of the 2014 draft this year. Yes, you judge a draft 3 years down the line, but 3 years down the line doesn't help if Idzik isn't here in 3 years, which he will not be. Benjamin is inconsistent, but with a bad O-Line & a backup QB at times, dude finished with 1,000 yards & 9TDs, plus he's 6'5". Pryor did not add value this year, Benjamin would have. So, if you draft that guy and maybe start Vick from day 1 of camp....maybe this season isn't such a washout. As it turned out, our existing safeties were much less of a problem than our CBs, and had we passed on Pryor but drafted a better WR or CB, we'd be better off. I think we'll regret Pryor for being a mildly better than Kyle Wilson type "meh" pick, and the Shaq Evans/Dexter McDougles of the world could very well be off the roster by game 1 of next year. Hopefully Idzik's picks look better after 3 years than they do after 1 or 2, but right now most of the 2014 draft is underwhelming, and only 1 player from 2013 is consistently contributing (with the other being Geno, who is still also a question mark). Cap space is great, but we needed more from the draft and more from free agency than Idzik got us. Can't argue with him getting fired, he didn't do enough to deserve staying.
What do you mean? The only pick missing in 2013 was the 4th rounder, big deal. He had a full set of picks in both drafts. And here we are again with the cap hell thing. It took about 5 transactions to get into decent cap shape. Tannenbaum was a cap guy too, it's the one thing he did right. Idzik chose not to get Rex Ryan corners to run his scheme. Had he chose to spend a little of that $30m at his disposal we probably would've gotten a few more wins this year and he'd still have a job.
That's a total misconception... All this cap genious did was cut 4 guys anyone would have cut, and magically the jets had 30 mill in cap space... Idzik was unprepared and not qualified for the job. I'm sure he's a good team player and is a great 10th man in a room of 10 guys. As the boss his failure has been epic.
I'm thankful for John Idzik he cleaned out all our bad cap problems and put together a bad enough team for the new GM to have the #6 pick along with a huge shopping spree in FA. His drafting was so bad that most of our picks from the last 2 years aren't even on the roster now. Talk about the new GM set up for some fun.
Please see post #45 in this thread. Btw most of his picks are still on the roster. They just contributed fuckall.
There was really nothing to do. All you had to do to fix the cap was cut Sanchez ... and it took him a whole year to figure out it needed to be done, when it should have been obvious on the day he took over.
That's not true. Sanchez's salary was guaranteed for 2013 so it was either keep him or take a $9m cap hit. We had to keep him for 2013. But I agree the salary cap purge was built up for him by his predecessor who also was a cap guy. It wasn't hard for the next guy to make room, regardless of who it was.
Yes, there would have been a cap hit, but it wouldn't have been his full salary. The team would have been better off getting rid of him a year earlier and getting a head start on the QB search.
Of course you wanted year three. You lost all credibility with your crooning over Idzik being hired and him being "a real GM" with a "plan". The Jets D with Revis and without Sheldon/Milliner was vastly superior. I saw through Idzik the moment he decided to trade Revis for a subpar CB and an unneeded DT. Sheldon may be solid, but he doesn't make the whole any better; he's a redundant piece. Btw, Rex doesn't use the term SS and FS in his defense. He runs very little of the actual 46. Both safeties are required to play in man coverage, in the box, in zones, and blitz. A first round Safety should be expected to excel at more than just being an 8th man in the box. Here's my wager: Idzik will never be hired as a GM of a team again. Your "real GM" is a joke.
Lol surprised you haven't deleted that one yet, he was a cap guy? The guy who handed out huge deals to Sanchez, Bart Scott, and Santonio was a cap guy lol that's hilarious.
Tanny was different though because for whatever reason he was more looking towards right now and would worry about the cap and restocking players down the road. Idzik has shown a more patient approach. He didnt hand out contracts like tanny and has been a lot less about the big move. No veterans are being signed at ridiculous money, instead he's buying them low. Two different approaches and right now we need the new GM to also be patient in my opinion. Basically a similar plan to Idzik just executed better.
Well yeah, what did both Idzik and Tannenbaum in was whiffing on draft picks. That will do any GM in. But I was never worried about the cap under Tannenbaum or Idzik. They both understood the mechanisms available to shift, restructure and release unwanted salary. Their specialty was/is the cap.
Yes, his upbringing in the NFL was as a salary cap guy. Under Parcells and Hermway. The Sanchez and Santonio deals coupled with the Tebow trade is what got him fired. It took less than a year for the next guy to have $30m to play with, I don't consider that "cap hell". It was Idziks choice not to use it.
Wrong. It would have been his full salary and more. I'm too lazy to provide a link right now, Google it. We were stuck with the bum for 2013. This is the contract that ultimately got Tannenbaum canned plus several bad drafts in a row. But no need to argue about this one. We are in agreement that Idzik fucked up.
I would never say I'm worried about the cap but Tanny mechanisms seemed to backfire since he was building for the now and pushed money down the road. Like Tone and Sanchez were basically uncuttable for a year. Idzik seems to have it where that isn't the case right now. Tannys secondary problem was having so few draft picks basically enabling his cycle of using free agency to fill needs instead of the draft.
