"Except that the FAs were not impactless at all." So, 8-8 to 3-11 is impactful?! No, I can't see any difference, except the fact that Tannenbaum's plan resulted in two AFC Championship game appearances and Idzik's plan has seen the Jets go from 8-8 to 3-whatever, all while the team has virtually EXACTLY THE SAME NEEDS AS IT DID BEFORE HE TOOK OVER. You mentioned my "hindsight evaluation" well, that is how one evaluates: one looks at something as it is, not as it could have been or might be or how we wish it would be. You keep touting the successes of this GM when there really haven't been any. This is NOT a team that has gone forward in any meaningful way since he took over. The same needs exist as did previously, only the record is poorer.
Eric Decker has been a good signing in FA. The record is a reflection of a struggling QB, injury depleted secondary and our schedule, not of Decker's ability as a WR. Cute argument though. Tanenbaum became the GM in 2006. Do you know what the Jets record was in his 2nd year? I will tell you. It was 4-12, the same record as we might have tomorrow if we beat the Dolphins. He made the back to back championship games (by mortgaging the future and getting very lucky in 2009) in his 3rd and 4th year as GM, something that Idzik might not get. How about them apples? That's once again nonsense. Our skill players on offense are MILES ahead of where they were prior to Idzik. Our D-Line is much better with Richardson. If Milliner comes back next year relatively healthy and Pryor plays as a SS like he has been as of late, our secondary will be younger. Our O-Line could be younger with Aboushi and Dozier. IK could add to linebacker corp. Our cap situation is much better. Hell, even all the media who hate Idzik so much, they all admit that whoever is the GM next year, the situation is much better now, though strangely, they refuse to give Idzik credit for that.
Idzik did some good things. The Chris Ivory trade, drafting Richardson and signing Decker were all good moves. But drafting three WR's and going 0-3 in a great draft for them, and not addressing CB when it's a critical spot for Rex's D is inexcusable. Plus the reports of paranoia and distrust throughout the organization because of him is pretty damning. I'd be very disappointed if he wasn't fired on Monday.
What?! Absolute rubbish. they are hardly "light years" away from where they were. Decker is no better than Holmes and Holmes actually had important catches. The D-Line was already the strength of the team. "if Millener comes back..." yeah, if wishes were ponies everyone would ride. a CB coming back from an Achilles injury? Hardly a sure thing. I mean, seriously, you're pinning your hopes on longshots, as is the GM. That's not how I want my GM operating: hoping that players that have all of 4 good games are somehow going to become elite players. And, if you're going to point to "all the media" please at least quote ONE of them. Otherwise, it's sounding like you've made up some crap to support a weak argument. Of course the situation is much better. He sabotaged this year to make it much better. I'm just not willing to bet he's going to perform any better this year than last or that he's earned another shot. Letting contracts expire without replacing talent is nothing to hang you hat on as a GM. I have to ask, which of the 5 WRs Idzik picked in FA--not including the incredible OVERPAYMENT for the Jet's version of Jericho Cotchery-- and the draft do you feel give the jets a good chance to win?
One might argue that Rex is behind that which may not be off base being that all the leaks, anonymous sources, and other crap all started to surface about the time that Rexy got here.
Now you are just trying too hard. We are talking about the 2013 version of Holmes that Idzik inherited, the guy who missed a bunch of games and was completely washed up. You are saying Decker is the same as this washed up Holmes? This is why it's hard to take you seriously. Let me remind you that when Idzik came here, our D-Line was Wilkerson, Pouha and DeVito. Strength of the team? Yeah, ok... Well, since you are assuming those players don't work out after a few months (when the widely accepted NFL period of time to evaluate drafts is 3 years), I don't see why I can't assume that some of them will. This is just a stupid strawman argument. The only receiver Idzik really invested in was Decker, who is a good WR. The others, like Patrick Ford, TJ Graham, etc, are just bit players brought in to compete at no real cost to the team.
But they didn't actually perform. And other, better WRs could have been brought in. the goal in the offseason is to prepare for the season, not to bring in fodder to be able to run practices. I mean, wow, you're supporting bringing garbage vs. actual talent?! Here's a story: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/28/sports/what-the-jets-need-simply-is-talent.html?ref=sports&_r=0 It seems to agree with the notion that TALENT is missing from this team. And, guess who is responsible for bringing in talent? Let me tell you: the guy who will be next to clean out his desk before this offseason starts. My GOD I hope Woody is reading your Idzik supporting arguments!!
You seem to be confusing unaddressed with unfixed. As a matter of fact, Idzik HAS addressed every area of need pretty much, making moves to improve them. It just so happens that in real life (and not NFL Madden), not every move will work out. He addressed the QB situation the best way he could by drafting Geno, but that hasn't worked out, at least with our current coaching staff. He addressed the secondary by spending 2 first round picks on it, and one third rounder, as well as signing some free agents. I would argue he has been very unlucky here, with all the injuries and Patterson flaking out. But stuff like that happens. And of course where Idzik HAS been very successful is addressing the offensive skill weapons, which he has turned from the worst skill group in the NFL to a very good all around group. The bottom line is, no GM will succeed with every move, and Idzik's moves have all been solid. Drafting Geno, Milliner and Pryor got us excellent draft grades at the time, and most people agreed they were good moves. Again, you are being unrealistic. Idzik brought in the #1 rated FA WR to us in Decker. You wanted him to bring in every high rated FA WR or something? How many times do I have to tell you this isnt Madden NFL? Since it takes 3 years to evaluate a draft and for drafted players to develop, and Idzik has been here for less than two, then you might have noticed another article in that same sidebar that correctly stated that the reason we are talent depleted right now are those several seasons under Tanenbaum and Rex where we ended up with next to nothing from the draft. Nice try though.
Well, you've not convinced me. My eyes and a quick perusal of the Jets roster sings a much different tune. "And of course where Idzik HAS been very successful is addressing the offensive skill weapons, which he has turned from the worst skill group in the NFL to a very good all around group." You are, my friend, quite delusional...It's still pretty bad and, given Idzik's abject frugality, would most likely lose the one speed threat--oft injured though he may be--in next year's offseason. Dude, it's ok. You'll fall in love again...
If thinking that going from Hill, Holmes, Greene and Cumberland to Decker, Harvin, Ivory and Amaro is a major upgrade is delusional, I can live with that.
No legit candidate will want to come here. We will end up with a bottom barrel guy. I hope you guys don't complain in a few years when we are looking for another GM.
They will and they will tout Idzik and complain that we pulled the trigger to fast when Milliner and Richardson are All Pros and Amaro, Pryor, McDougle, Aboushi are all contributing along with Decker and Ivory.
Well clearly you're ok with your own delusions. I mean, Ivory versus Green: a wash. Holmes vs. Decker: production-wise a wash. I'm not sure why you think Amaro is all that vs. Cumberland after saying that Cumberland has speed cause neither is a good blocker. Major upgrade? Major delusion...
Not if the hire is a football guy. Give him 3 guaranteed years in his contract. Next move will define the future and I think Woody knows the repercussions of this decision should he pick the wrong guy.
Really good candidates out there - Chris Ballard, Ryan Pace, Duke Tobin, Tom Gamble, Tom Heckert, Eliot Wolf. Eric DeCosta won't come here he will stay with the Ravens. Eliot Wolf gives you potential for a more long-lasting relationship because of his son, if it works out then you really got a foundation for a long-time.
He's not a good football mind. I think the man has a lot of patience, but he's not creating any foundation on any sides of the ball. 2 drafts, tons of picks and he's failed in both drafts. He's in over his head. I think there are better minds out there. Now is the time to take advantage. The fact that he's been here just 2 years means nothing to me if you can upgrade the spot.
Except that he was setting a foundation he addressed oline in both drafts. Addressed the secondary, addressed receivers, dline etc.
And you believe what he's done is satisfactory? Buy high on often injured players? The offensive line selections have been awful. I haven't been impressed one bit.
