Hopefully Woody has the balls not to listen to these clueless assholes. They act like Idzik took over a great team and ran it into the ground. Idzik took over a bad team with an horrendous cap situation. The idiots that are behind this campaign needed instant gratification.
[/QUOTE] This guy is starting a movement. We need our voices heard. Woody needs to know how we feel and there's no better way to do it than with white pieces of paper most likely printed from someone's home computer.[/QUOTE] Hopefully Woody has the balls not to listen to these clueless assholes. They act like Idzik took over a great team and ran it into the ground. Idzik took over a bad team with an horrendous cap situation. The idiots that are behind this campaign needed instant gratification.
McDoougle was hurt in high school and played a game and a half his senior year of college-total waste of a 3rd round draft pick and a great reason for canning Idzik, i.e he let Rex Ryan draft defense first and foremost just like Tannebaum.
I hear you bro. You'd probably like to have seen the Rich Kotite era last at least a couple more years, huh? You know, cause you need to take the proper time to let the bomb explode before you remove it. Joe King...I respect your opinion. Seriously, it'd be one thing if I saw progress in the win-loss column. It'd be another thing if I saw some real impact from the two draft classes he's had. Sure, he's drafted a few players in the early rounds of the draft. But those are supposed to be virtual certainties. I daresay you could equal his record in those rounds. It's the later rounds where I don't see much. And the lack of needs being addressed adequately after two offseasons that troubles me. WR, OL, these areas have been persistently poor under his leadership. He lucked into the Harvin trade. Without Harvin, we were looking at guys like Salas (I happen to like him, but he's not a proven commodity and should not be expected to be) and Ford (who didn't make it past training camp). Winters, a significant draft expense was garbage. Usually, I'd agree with the notion of patience. I just haven't seen enough in two offseasons to think that Idzik should be given another one. I think virtually anyone else would be as good and would probably be better. So, why wait?
I once talked to ocean pacific model and I thought I was close to a deal but hey crap happens..... Seriously the guy is paid to make these signings and he fail not once but 2x with corners we needed in this defense. don't get me started on trying to help a garbage qb with receivers when there were other free agents available at a price lower then Harvin. Not saying tate or saunders or the guy the guy eagles cut would have signed here but you need to talk to them first to try right?
I think it's more the fact that we need to either give Idzik 0 more years, or 3 more years. If we keep him, he gets a new coach, and about 3 years to see if that works out or not. Giving Idzik just 2 years total is not a lot, but what he's shown in those 2 years is not enough for me to be comfortable giving him 5 years. That's the real issue for me. He's made some good trade, some good draft picks in the early rounds, but overall I don't think we are getting enough through the draft to where I can say that I'm confident that he will make good use of the early draft pick we'll get. I don't trust him drafting another QB, and I don't trust him replacing Rex Ryan with Dan Quinn, another defense-oriented head coach.
so you applaud the guy for not helping the team win? let me get this straight you would not have signed revis to a two year contract to help the young db we have on the roster and to help the defense over all be better. while not compenting for a super bowl you still need to win games to help build a young team. What idzik did here this year was a total and utter failure on all levels draft and free agency. But it is ok because your happy because he did not spend an extra million so a player so we could watch usfl reject man the receiver and db position. F that i want my team to competative and win every week but by week5 you knew this team was in trouble because the gm was a total failure because he was cheap and it cost the coaching staff their jobs fans money and agrivation. but it is ok because idzik should get another year to fu*(9 us again
Thanks for the reply - I was hoping for more. I considered starting a new thread but there's enough dissonance here already. Earlier in the season I thought Idzik needed another year to be judged fairly but recognizing that the draft is only part of a GM's job and nothing has happened to stop the slide I feel the Jets need him out now. Percy Harvin was not the only player available who could have helped the Jets this season; I wanted to see more activity patching holes in the roster. What would happen if Idzik is responsible for bringing in a new head coach now and is then ousted next year? You'd have another situation of a newly hired GM having to deal with a head coach in place with whom he may or may not have an ability to work well, or a coach ousted after a single season. It may not be the best situation for Idzik but his hands are not completely clean here and the situation demands it.
You know, they say this franchise is a circus because of guys like Rex, Woody, and whoever the GM or QB seem to be, the real main act of this circus are the fans.
That is absolutely not true. Here are some names we've drafted in the first 2 rounds since 2000: Stephen Hill, Kyle Wilson, Vlad Ducasse, Mark Sanchez, Vernon Gholston, Kellen Clemens, Mike Nugent, Justin Miller, Dewayne Robertson, Victor Hobson, Jon McGraw, Anthony Becht. With that many busts that early, does it still seem like a virtual certainty to you? Now you may probably think that that's just the Jets being terrible at drafting, so let's take a look at a "better run" franchise, like say the Pats: Tavon Wilson, Ras-I Dowling, Jermaine Cunningham, Ron Brace, Darius Butler, Terence Wheatley, Laurence Maroney, Chad Jackson, Marquise Hill So, yeah, apparently drafting anywhere is still like gambling. Higher picks get you higher chances, but there are no certainties. As far as Idzik, it's amazing how little credit he gets for drafting the best players in the entire 2013 draft with only the 13th overall pick. Most of you probably wanted Star or Floyd at that pick anyway, or another position altogether, instead Idzik did the smart thing and went BPA and landed a real stud. Also, when people criticize Idzik for doing little in 2 offseasons, it's important to remember how handicapped he was in the first one, having only been hired just when it started AND having almost no cap room at all. Yes, I would not have signed Revis because it doesn't work that way. You are just an impatient fan who wants to have his cake and eat it too. You want to be competitive now but also build a championship contender for the future, but that is generally not how it works. Everything has a cost. Signing Revis and guys like him now stops you from developing your young core, the cornerbacks of the future. If Idzik signed Revis and re-signed Cromartie, then Milliner and McDougle wouldn't get playing time at all. With the benefit of hindsight, people can say now that since they got injured this year, it doesnt matter anyway, but you can't plan for injuries. Young guys need to play and develop, and if they don't work out, new young guys need to be brought in. The other way that old veterans like Revis hurt you is that with Revis and Cro this year, we would've won a few more game, and instead of being 3-11 and looking at high picks, we would be 6-10 or 8-8, still not good or anything, but with much worse draft picks. The bottom line is, you don't acquire expensive aging veterans when you are rebuilding. The whole point of rebuilding is to fill your team with a good core of young players who will grow together and be able to play together for a long time. Revis, Cromarties, etc do not fit into this plan. That, in my opinion, is the single biggest misunderstanding on the part of the fans who hate Idzik. He's not here to patch holes, he's here to build a sustainable successful team for the long term. You guys need to stop analyzing everything he does in terms of competing in 2014, or even 2015, but more in terms of building up something nice that will stand the test of time.
According to the Sporting News John Idzik ranked 28 out of 32 and that was before this shit season. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...-ozzie-newsome-jerry-jones-belichick-thompson Idzik supporters are delusional or just straight up trolls.
Having no idea what the long term strategy Idzik is following we have no way to know that "the situation demands it". As I said before, it's possible that Idzik is following a 5 year plan that Woody signed off on to a tee. When he took over this team the roster was so barren that even an all-time great special teams coach couldn't do squat with the scraps he was left to work with. It seems very clear to me that the roster, while obviously still lacking, is better than it was the day Idzik took over. He also has a massive amount of cap space to work with now. Do we know what factors are going into every decision Idzik makes? Do we know what his specific team goals were for last year, this year, next year or in 5 years? Is it possible that Woody Johnson really likes Rex but after careful consideration with Idzik agreed that Rex needs to be able to get it done without CB's taking up a very large percentage of the salary cap space? Is it possible that the plan included stabilizing the roster, clearing up cap space and potentially moving onto a new coach/qb combo in year three? I'm not saying these things are true, I'm saying we don't know what's true and there are probably a million different plausible scenarios. We just have very little clue as fans what's going on with the GM at this early stage. We're all ignorant to so many factors that would be involved in deciding whether Idzik should be fired after a short two years. That would be a very dramatic move that an NFL franchise should only make if Idzik is woefully inept at things fans have no idea about. I understand that people are upset about the poor record and it's great that the Jets have so many passionate fans but the angry mob out for Idzik's head is misguided at best IMO. Now if you're Woody Johnson and see Idzik doing Madden simulations to decide what move to make next obviously it's time to move on.
The NY media is the ringleader in the circus though. It's a tough town for any sports team but when things fly off the handle it becomes brutal. There's no small town loyalty towards the home team in a big city with two franchises. If the Jets became good for an extended period of time and the Giants sucked things would go very badly for them also.
. No I am not impatient but I do expect results. I would argue you are a fan satisfied with being a bad team. What idzik has done to this team through his inaction, inability, stupidity, and cheapness is and should be a fire-able offense. he has done nothing to instill any confidence in the fan base that he could do anything coeerct for this team in two years of free agency and drafting. I my opinion fans who settle for gms like idzick are voting for 5 more years of being bad and turning into the raiders. You totally ignored parts pf my points like a player like revis can help young dbs develop but you would rather let them struggle. from what I wrote " let me get this straight you would not have signed revis to a two year contract to help the young db we have on the roster and to help the defense over all be better. while not competing for a super bowl you still need to win games to help build a young team." If you believe in the idiot gm he should have done this because it helps a you defense and actually the offense with a young qb but you want to gamble on a draft pick which you already point out is a crap shoot. The whole mess coaches, front office needs to go period and start from scratch. I like rex but he has run his course here he was set up to fail by an inept GM and scouting staff
Hopefully he has the balls to clean house of these bums. Besides does anyone think Idzick inherited a 3-4 win team? I didn't. The cap situation has been discussed over and over and a cap specialist like Idzik did what he's best at. Unfortunately his other GM qualifications stick out like a sore thumb.
Agree we should all respect each others opinions without trying to outdo each other in trying to be the smartest fan on the block,
The anti-Idzik crowd isn't afraid of rebuilding. Getting rid of your head coach and your GM automatically qualifies us for that. I would argue that the people who want Idzik to stay are those who are afraid of rebuilding. Its as if there is enough going for Idzik it is worth hanging on to him for fear that it he hasn't had enough time to pan out. I am not afraid to ask for more out of my franchise and demand we do better here. I personally think if Idzik stays he will have to hire a mediocre coach or a shot in the dark guy no ones heard of. If Idzik and the new coach fail then we will have to clean house again in the next 2 years. That won't just mediocrity, that will be a decade of BAD football.
