I think we have more options at QB then most think. One option is NOT Geno Smith though! I'm going to grade each option and would appreciate others to grade and add options. 1. Drafting Mariota - Realistically we would have to trade up to get him. He is a great talent but given the Jets have many holes that need to be addressed using picks to trade up is an option im not totally sold on. Grade C+ option. Winston - He has all the talent in the world but is an uber douch bag... He might fall to us so at least we wouldn't need to trade up but his intangibles are something that cant be ignored. Grade B option. 2nd/3rd rounder - There are a few mid round pick QBs Hundley/Cook/Petty/Prescott that the Jets could fall in love with. Cook and Prescott haven't declared yet, they could be solid options for us but I doubt they could start day 1. Hundley and Petty are boom or bust picks and is a similar situation to Geno when he was drafted. They show flashes of brilliance but not consistency. With either of theses players I don't think they could start day 1 and be a success. Grade B- option. Summary: I like the Player and person Mariota is over Winston but I think the Jets cant afford to trade up with the amount of picks it will take to get it done. Rolling the dice on Winston is such a tough call because he has great talents but is sooo "unclean". Drafting a mid rounder is fine but we cant throw him in the fire and would need to sign a QB in this case. 2. Free Agency Bradford/Locker - They simply cant stay healthy and would be a pie in the sky project at best. Geno will be starting by week 3 once they get hurt. Grade D- option. Mallet/Hoyer/Moore - If we draft a mid rounder and need time to develop him, one of these guys are a stop gap solution. Grade B option. Summary: The FA pool is pretty luke warm but if we decide to draft a QB that we feel we can develop I would want a vet to lead the way in this case. 3. Trade Cutler - He needs a change of scenery and is a pocket passer that can play in the cold. I think he would be good as a Jet and wouldn't cost us more than a 5th rounder given his situation and salary with the Bears. Grade A option. RG3 - He would be a cost effective move and has one year left on his contract. It's a pure "show me year" for RG3 either he can play or not. It would probably cost a 3rd rounder. Grade B- option. Summary: Trading for Cutler is something we strongly need to consider because he brings immediate help and is at a point in his career that is make it or break it. RG3 i'm not sure is even worth a 3rd rounder but is cheap and in a contract year. He's a boom or bust option.
Cutler makes more money than God and can't succeed in a pass-happy offense. I think he's the grade F option if there is one. Hell, I'd rather take a chance on cheap Clausen than give up a pick and have to pay Cutler.
Cutler is a talented but fatally flawed player. he's not a leader or hold the fort kind of guy. Sam Bradford is our best option.
I personally would love RG3 for a 4th. I think the guy hasn't truky been healthy since his rookie year and is finally getting back. In my opinion the jury is still not out on him yet. But his days in Washington are over IMO
RG3 is toxic. He has pissed off every coach he's had. When that happens, it's the player, not every single coach. We can't have toxic players on this team.
Cutler is talented in the same way Jeff George was talented. It's amazing that anyone would say we need to dump Geno but say we should replace him with Cutler. Do you not watch football? Have you seen Cutler play? The assertion that he just needs a change of scenery is beyond attempting to delude yourself that he is good just so you can be excited about an off season acquisition. Sticking your head in the sand is deluding yourself. This is sticking your head up your ass.
Lol who exactly do you foresee starting next year if you wouldn't be happy with any of these players?
I think you're underrating Sam Bradford, but I happen to agree with you about Cutler. He's a mediocre QB and is the definition of average; yet an average Qb would make this team much, much better. Cutler would improve this team; if we can restructure or accept the high cost, it's worth a shot.
Kind of liking the idea of Bradford. I don't think the kid is made of glass, I just think he has taken some brutal hits. The kid has literally never known protection in the NFL. Behind a retooled offensive line this could be a very savvy move. I don't think Mariota or Winston will prove any use until there 3rd or 4th season in the NFL. The Jets have proven they have no skill at developing a rookie. I think the first step to developing a rookie is don't throw them in behind our shit oline and with MM playbook. I don't want to see a rookie starting next season. Locker could be interesting too, but not as enticing to me as Bradford. I don't know anything about Moore. None of the other options in the OP excite me. Bradford is my first pick (if he becomes available) and then maybe Locker.
If all it would take is an average QB to make this team much better, there are many QBs capable if being average or having an average season that don't get paid like they are elite. You pay for elite when you expect elite. What kind of desperate low expectations do you have to suffer from to pay him like he is elite but willing to accept average performance?
I believe Bradford is an RFA, if he is we'd need to see what St. Louis does first. I wouldnt mind RGIII or Cutler
Unless we get RGIII for a 4th rounder or lower, no thanks. Other than that we might as well go with a cheap QB, like Clausen or Hoyer, etc and work with whoever we sign for cheap, Geno, and Simms. Our options this year suck, so there may be a chance we end with Geno starting again next year, not entirely likely, but still possible.
I understand what you're saying, but "average" is a pretty high bar to set for the Jets. In my honest opinion, Jay Cutler would be the best Qb on our team since Brett Favre. Yeah, he's an average starter but he's better than what we've had so far. If we had him in 2010 we would have made the Super Bowl. If we had him this year we would have probably been 8-8 or so. He doesn't deserve elite money but with $40 million in cap space the Jets can't afford not to take risks to find a Qb that could bring this team success.
Cook isnt coming out. And mark my word once petty plays new years day, and has his combine and pro day he will be a day 1 pick.
I think that if we can get Cutler/Bradford and Winston falls to us in the draft we take him too. Too much of this discussion revolves around the big unknown of who the HC is next year.
I don't see why trading up is such a poor option. QB is the biggest problem on this team outside of the FO/coaching. Positions like CB can be addressed via FA, draft, trade, guys coming back from injury and/or a scheme change. The same can't be said about QB. If we were to trade up it would be a move for the long term not 2015.
it doesn't look good. barring a trade for Bradford, i think we have to look at B options like Hoyer and Moore, with the intent on starting them. i wouldn't touch Winston in the first round, whether he's there or not.
I want to avoid repeating myself in one thread after another, but it boggles the mind how many anti-Cutler posters assume that the Jets would have to pick up the total cost of his contract in order to get him. Sure, if that was the case, I would be opposed. But I think Chicago will have to pay a portion of his contract in order to trade him. They have undercut their leverage by their recent moves, in effect forcing them to trade him, and they can't cut him without it costing too much. There is a slim possibility the whole CS and the GM are fired by the Bears, and perhaps the new regime would think it best to retain him. I think he's gone even in that scenario, though. Since everybody else knows the Bears in effect have to trade him, the net cost will be lower than otherwise (see for comparison the Bradford situation - that is not at all what would be involved in getting him). Says here Cutler will go for a net cost that is something like the average of a mid tier NFL Qb. The Jets can afford to pay that, and even a bit more in order to make it happen over any competing bids. It will not be near his current contract price in terms of net cost. How not near remains to be seen.
I think trading up is a poor option because Tampa for example has a need for Mariota just as great as the Jets. Only they hold a better hand. Look at it this way - if the Jets had the first pick, and us fans felt Mariota was the best choice, what would we want the FO to get to trade out of the first pick, leaving our possible starter next Opening Day none other than Geno Smith? I might do that deal for NE's entire roster sans Brady, but not much less than that.
