To follow up on that thought, ask yourself this. Is Harbaugh worth potentially losing a shot at a QB or Cooper or (fill in the blank) this year as well as losing out on 2nd round picks this year and next? (assuming the highest price just for worst case scenario cost wise). Also consider his family has ties to the West coast and his preference is probably going to be for the Raiders.
When its all well and done the dilemma in my mind is the massive struggle between WHO we WANT versus WHO CAN we GET. Contrary to popular belief coming to the Jets is not "the dream job" particularly for a proven winner...be it a GM or HC. If the challenge with the team is not tough enough, well add the brutal daily bombardment by the shittiest, most tabloid driven media in the US. Woody will have to push some major $$$ and leadership incentives to bring in the talent that we need. To compound the issue, the jury is still out as to what will Woody do with Idzik, and if he is a keeper, that might narrow the HC field considerably. Ideally you hire a GM/HC tandem that works in unison towards steering this franchise into a winning organization, a GM that knows how to staff a team with talent, and a coach the develops talent into winners. I don't just want a players coach, I want a winning players coach. Some one that kills the "play like a Jet" mentality and brings the "just win baby" attitude to our team.
personally I think you could get a new HC and keep Idzik IF, and only IF, the new HC is given wide control of personnel decisions and Idzik is mostly dedicated towards the administrative side, that would be very much in the "Seattle model" where Carroll is very heavily involved in the evaluation, drafting, and free agent side of things. I think you could get any HC to sign on IF they had ironclad guarantees of control. The problem in hiring a good coach in those circumstances won't be who the GM is but whether or not they trust and want to work for Woody.
Not saying it doesn't sometimes work out, but in general you dont' want to be that guy... and why wouldn't Tomlin want to follow someone who spent 15 years before slipping and accidently falling into a pile of Championship lol
What are you talking about? We wouldn't lose any picks, he's very unlikely to be traded. Harbaugh wouldn't want to be traded to a team with no franchise QB that just dealt a high first round pick to get him. He's more likely to get fired, then pick where he wants to go.
The same way most teams get constructed within the first two years of a new regime. But after 6 years, Dungy was still not "the guy" in Tampa.
I think we will go one of three directions. 1. Fire Idzik and Rex - Hire Harbough and give him the keys. 2. Fire Rex - Idzik hires Dan Quinn as "his guy". 3. Fire Idzik and keep Rex - Rex somehow avoids being axed and gets another shot with a new "scouting" GM.
TB had 2 playoff appearances prior to Dungy coming to town. Enter Warren Sapp and the Tampa 2 defense. 97-2001 playoff appearances. Something that never happened prior. He was the guy - don't be stupid.
He most likely was the guy, but he wasn't viewed as "the guy" after 6 years...else he wouldn't have been fired. I didn't fire the guy, don't call me stupid.
That's after 6 years dude - how is his career essentially with the Bucs any different then Rex Ryan cept more appearances in the playoffs? By 1 yr btw. Dungy WAS the man for the 6 yrs. Just like Rex WAS the man for the Jets until well after this season. Gruden put them over the hump and more than likely they don't even win the SB if not for Gruden's insight knowledge on the Raiders.
Exactly. Not to mention that San Francisco doesn't exactly have a lot of leverage in trading a guy that the entire league knows is leaving anyway.
Well DUDE, I expressed an opinion that you don't wan't to be the guy that follows "the guy". You posited that Tony Dungy was "the guy" in Tampa, and I did not (despite all the hoopla when he was hired down there). I'm just saying you don't want to be the guy who follows "the guy". Al Groh followed Parcells ("the guy"). No one else has been "the guy" to this team until Rex. My opinion is the next "guy" is two hires away. Dungy in Tampa? Ninja please.
No, he can't. The 49ers will own his rights regardless of if he's fired or not, he'll still be under contract unless the 49ers release him from the contract (which is unlikely). It doesn't work the same way for coaches that it does for players.
I think it's either Idzik with his coach or a czar like Harbaugh or Gruden. It's going to be difficult getting a high profile coach, let alone a high profile GM, to come in unless they have total control on the football side. It's a mess at this point primarily because the Jets offense is so bad. You have to think whoever is managing things next year is going to get a QB who has a very high predictability of performance. It's not easy to develop a young QB and the Jets have been really bad at that since 2006 when they took Kellen Clemens in the 2nd round and couldn't do much with him. This offense may not look like it on paper but it's worse than last year's offense. Last year I thought the Jets could score a TD on a couple of drives a game and had a pretty good shot in the red zone once they got there. This year's team is good for maybe one scoring drive all game and they won't put it in the end zone even when they get the ball down low. Anyway, whoever is running things isn't going to be taking their chances with an unknown QB next year. The Jets have to fix the offense or the stumbles will continue.
He doesn't have to be the GM in title, but if he wants to pick the players, i'd give it to him, give him somebody as the GM who understands that Harbaugh calls the shots/picks the players while the GM handles the other responsibilities like salary cap issues and what not.
But how is a gm supposed to tell his boss no without fear of being fired? It's a coach's job to focus solely on winning the next game. A gm is there to balance winning this season with winning in the future as well. What if Harbaugh wants to mortgage the future to win now? Who is going to tell him no?
While complete control given to Parcells worked, everyone forgets Rich Kotite had the same control and was an abysmal failure. Also, Parcells' drafts were rather poor with the Jets. So no, do not hand the entire thing over to Harbaugh.
