Would like to know where the Idzik got a plan people at?

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  1. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    My bad I thought u was on the fire Rex bandwagon.
     
  2. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Still right here wondering why rex gets 35 draft picks from 2 diffent g.m.'s that end up being nothing and we still think he isn't the root of the problem?
     
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    It's too soon to judge draft picks.
     
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    Really? Does that include Geno?
     
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    The reduction of cap space was a good start. The jury is still out on the draft picks.

    The real mistake here was forcing the new GM to have to work with Rex Ryan, whoever he was going to be. Which may explain why Idzik was like the tenth choice for the job.

    Ryan was already exposed as a substandard HC by the end of 2012.

    In retrospect, if Idzik gets fired without ever being allowed to be a real GM, his biggest mistake will have been taking the job to begin with.

    Which doesn't bode well for landing a viable successor.
     
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  6. Geno007

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    Cap space? Really? You or I could had made those cuts to make all that cap space. Bring in good players has nothing to do with who he was force to work with.
     
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    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    Only if it includes Idzik.

    Geno has had a lot of starts. There are players that were drafted that hasn't had much time on the field to judge them. That's the difference.
     
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  8. Geno007

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    26 starts is not a lot for a QB. Do you ever think the reason there not getting much playing time because there not good enough to earn playing time?
     
  9. BroadwayAaron

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    Richardson stepped in right away.
    Milliner stepped in right away (and although struggled at first, came on VERY strong late in the year)
    Geno stepped in right away.
    Aboushi was buried on the depth chart, then got on the field in year 2 and has played well.
    Tommy Bohanon started right away and remained a starter until he got hurt.

    So that's 5 of the 7 2013 draftees that got on the field right away, for better or worse.

    This year, Pryor started immediately, Amaro started immediately, McDougle was slated to see the field, Shaq Evans got hurt, Enunwa got hurt and was practice squad material from day one.
     
  10. CaneJet

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    Hopefully neither you nor I would have signed Tebow in 2012.

    Hopefully neither you nor I would have handed Sanchez that extension he got before then.

    Hopefully neither you nor I would have pursued Asomugah in 2011, then signed Derrick Mason after letting Brad Smith go.

    Hopefully neither you not I would have traded up for Mark Sanchez in 2009.

    Hopefully neither you nor I would have traded for Favre and let Pennington walk in 08.

    It was the very absence of these kinds of shenanigans that made Idzik an improvement over Tannenbaum.

    Better to have more picks and increase your chances of success with younger players than overpaying for free agents and killing your depth.

    Not saying Idzik did it perfectly, but he's got the right philosophy.
     
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    This post should end the thread. Very well-stated.
     
  12. 101GangGreen101

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    I think 26 starts is good enough to evaluate a QB. I don't think I've ever seen a QB get benched as much as Geno Smith and still continue to be in the running for the starting QB job.
     
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    In 7 of those starts failed to complete 10 passes. SEVEN games with under 10 completions.

    That's Tebow-level incompetence.

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    Call me crazy, but I think Geno Smith is actually worse than Tim Tebow. Is that even POSSIBLE lol.
     
  15. JStokes

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    Ok now you're going too far. Geno can actually throw a nice pass. He just can't read defenses.

    Tebow could not throw.

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    Sure Geno could throw a nice pass, but look at the number of 2+ interception games he's had compared to Tebow. At least Tebow would freaking run the ball and try and help the team out. The coaching staff has 0 trust in Geno, it's so bad they told Geno WHERE to throw the ball prior to the snap.
     
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  18. Geno007

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    The only one you can say Richardson all the others including Geno hasn't done shit worth talking about.
     
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    i'm not an idzik supporter but it's rex' horrible head coaching that's getting himself fired. not idzik sabotaging rex.
     
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    Tanny badly handled the contract extensions for core players and gave out huge extensions like they were candy. Other than that I would say that he did a pretty good job.

    We moved up and got the fifth overall pick for practically nothing. Personally I would have gone after different players with that pick but we had a big hole at QB and swung for the fences. I would give Tanny a mulligan on this one.

    Favre for Pennington (after the second shoulder surgery) is a trade I would have made every day and twice on Sunday. If we did a better job of protecting Favre (or Pennington for that manner) we could have gone deep into the playoffs.

    It takes talent and experience to win in the NFL. Even the Seahawks who "built through the draft" needed Marshawn Lynch and other veteran players to succeed. Tannenbaum hit big on free agency and trades. Calvin Pace, Alan Fanica, Damien Woody, Antonio Cromartie, Kris Jenkins, Braylon Edwards, Thomas Jones, LaDanian Tomlinson were the reason we had so much success.

    You also forgot the gut Tanny had to move up for guys he believed in like Revis and Harris.

    Idzick failed to move up or down in the draft, failed to bring in enough free agents, and failed to bring new ideas to a franchise that badly needed them.

    Idzick does not have the right philosophy!
     

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