Its not about winning when your 2-11,what's winning gonna do for this team at this point?You don't know whays gonna happen in the draft but I rather gamble with the higher pick then the lower one
I have no idea. we have no idea if the rookie QBs next year will succeed or fail. let's say we tank it and get the top pick and Mariotta is RG III- will it have been worth it?
idk. but all we're out in that scenario is losing a couple meaningless december games and a first round pick. If we are using "what ifs" though. What if the jets win out -go 5-11 and Mariota turns out to the next Brady to a team that didn't win meaningless dec games. You still gonna be happy they won some stupid games and went 5-11?
Say we end up 4-12 and the Bucs and Titans draft Mariota and Winston then what?What's the big pictire for the franchise going foward?Vick?Sanchez?Geno?Hoyer?Locker?Fitzpatrick?RGMe?Simms?or some other incapable veteran who isn't gonna solve our problems at QB,I rather end up 2-14 so we can see the wholesale changes across the board that we desperatley need compared to winning a meaingless game
say Winston and Mariota don't turn into good NFL QBs and other players turn out great that we would have missed out on- then what? we are terrible this year but we have talent and cap room. we are not the 1989 Jets, this is not a 5 year rebuilding project. w/ a good offseason we could be playoff contenders as soon as next year.
yep, I want to win. there's no guarantee if we lose out we get Mariota anyway(and he's not going to be a top 5 all time QB anyway). I will never root for losses, if we lose we lose. If I had the power to make them win or lose based on how I rooted we'd have 30+ SBs by now but I will NEVER, EVER root for my team to lose.
Who gives a shit if he's a "Top 5 All Time QB" ,Eli Mannings not top 5 all time and he won two superbowls,dilfer and flaco won superbowls,Mark Sanchez won 4 roadplayoff games etc and so on,We don't need him to be "top 5 all time" Russel Wilson isn't "top 5 of all time" we need a smart QB with a high football IQ that knows how to read a defense and not turn the ball over at lightspeed and we will be in the playoff mix every year
Time will tell, but there is certainly some potential upside to losing, while there is absolutely no potential upside to winning. If there is, I'm all ears. Tell me how it benefits us in ANY way to win the next three games. Maybe if we were building a program and looking for some momentum ... but since we're blowing the whole thing up, winning some meaningless games is completely without value. This is why the draft system sucks and needs to be changed. Teams should NEVER be rewarded for losing games, but unfortunately, that's how its set up. Just plain stupid IMO. There's something seriously wrong with a system that allows the Colts to make the playoffs for 11 straight years, sacrifice one year, and then immediately start another multi-year run by being handed the best QB to come out in 15 years. Completely Ridiculous.
Losing breeds losing. Losing has solidified that Rex needs to go, which could allow the organization to move forward, but no guarantees there. No matter what way you cut it, it takes a great coach to turn a bunch of losers into winners. We know it's possible because Parcells did it, but not without significant changes. Every loss, especially in the manner the Jets are losing, just solidifies that the players here are losers.
So do you have any suggestions for improving it? Its not perfect but what's the alternative? Fine teams for suspected tanking? take their picks away? It's a system and the Colts played it perfectly. They timed their QB transition to a tee because they're a well run operation. We can sit here and hate on them but if any changes were made it wouldn't matter, we have always been bumbling butt fuck of an operation. Unless the league is gonna assign QB's, it's on the Jets to get their heads out of their asses.
The alternative is pretty simple, and its been spoken about: The team with the best record that misses the playoffs drafts 1st. The team with the 2nd best record that misses the playoffs drafts 2nd ... and so on, until you get to the playoff teams who would draft in the same manner they draft now. This system would eliminate the concept of tanking to get a high pick, and it rewards playing to win --- the way its supposed to be. If you're so incompetent as an organization that you can't win more than 3 or 4 games every year (see Lions under Matt Millen), this system says -- "fuck you ... you don't keep getting a cookie for not knowing what the fuck you're doing". I like that about 1,000x better than what they do now. EDIT -- Btw, the Colts did work the system perfectly. That's why I'm saying we should do the same exact thing. The system is completely stupid ,but if its in place we might as well use it. That's why I'm saying lose every damn game like they did and get a QB in here. Other people are saying to win games. Hell no. If we're actually going to be rewarded for losing, then lose.
The theory now is that even the worst teams won't tank because the players doing the tanking are going to lose their jobs.
I think anytime someone straps the pads on, they're trying to win. Nobody takes the field thinking "I'm going to try to lose this one for a better pick". Tanking is more of a "giving up"type of attitude that poisons the entire organization, and it shows up in other ways. It's basically a loss of commitment. Maybe players don't study that extra hour of film. They don't stay for those extra reps after practice. They lose focus in meetings. They stay out for those last few drinks. They don't care about rehabbing nagging injuries so they can get on the field. When someone breaks through the 2nd level, they don't give that extra effort to chase them down like Richardson. Next thing you know, you're 2-14 and being handed the 1st pick for giving up. At least in my scenario, teams wouldn't get a reward for doing that. I'd even settle for a simple change like maybe instituting a rule where you couldn't qualify for a top 5 pick two years in a row. But like I said --- please Jets ... If they're going to reward you for tanking, then by all means --- Tank away!
I agree totally with you. 99% of the players who are playing on Sunday are playing to win no matter what. They may not be as dedicated to put the time in during the week. However, most everyone wants to play well and few people (players, fans, etc.) want to get embarrassed. For the "never root for a loss" crowd, say the Jets picking #1 or #4 were based entirely on the results of the last game of the season. It's the last play of the game and the Miami Dolphins are at the Jets 25 yard line down by 2 points. Do you hope that their kicker makes the field goal?
"trying" to win and putting in the extra effort required to win are 2 very different things. Teams out of the race check out mentally late in the season typically.
