Is anyone else besides me concerned that if Idzik gets another year, he might make a desperate move like giving up a first for Manziel or a very high pick for RGIII?
It is a possibility. He did use an extra $7 million of his precious cap space on Percy which seemed quite out of character and reeked of desperation. I am not sure I could stomach watching games if Manziel was our QB.
I'm more concerned that both Idzik AND Rex will be retained and our high DP will once again be wasted on a DB or a Safety.
Yes Idzik will be fired. Perception has already become his worst enemy (usually Woody's reason to take action). Keeping him would not only infuriate the fan base, but it would limit the head coaching pool available to the team. If the Jets end up with Idzik and one of Seattle's coordinators next year, the team will truly have returned to the Kotite days.
I'm not for firing Idzik. If the argument is that he had no personnel experience and that he can't evaluate talent. He did bring in Rod Graves as his Asst GM. Graves was GM (and for awhile Idzik's boss) for the Super Bowl Arizona team. I think his big downfall was his inability to replace Kurt Warner. They had a number of Qbs who were no good after Warner left the Cards. And he has Bradway another former GM and experienced personnel guy. Plus imo reading John's resume he does have personnel experience. But one of our posters had a good idea and something that Woody might end up doing. Kick Idzik upstairs to run business operations, the cap etc. and get someone else to be in charge of personnel decisions. I think there is a good chance Woody will do something like this over just firing him.
I don't think he should be fired but I will say this. It absolutely baffles me how a team with so little skill position talent going into the draft could justify waiting till the 4th round before taking a WR in what very well could go down as the deepest WR draft class in NFL history. I could understand if they had a ton of talent on O to begin with, but they didn't. That just bothers me.
I wish Woody would start with a clean slate. I think we will be stuck with this guy for the next 3 years, regardless of record or state of team. Unfortunatly, no real coach or player will want to come near us for this amount of time. I just hope this guy doesn't hire another Defensive only guy to run the team next year. We will know in another 5 weeks
Without a window into Woody's brain I can only offer the logical next step: Idzik stays and picks his coach as he should have been allowed to do when he got hired.
I definitely agree with you, but I think it went down like this: After picking up the first round pick that the Jets wanted going into the draft (Pryor), Idzik wanted to draft a WR in the 2nd round. He tried to trade up for Marquise Lee and wasn't able to but did manage to get Jace Amaro, a TE who plays more like a gigantic WR. After picking up a pass catcher in the 2nd round, Idzik felt satisfied and went on to address the position we needed most: cornerback. Though I wasn't a fan of his choice in the 3rd, this scenario doesn't make Idzik look inept. He was making reasoned decisions and, in the end, even traded for a WR during the season (albeit too late for it to matter.) I just wished we had picked Bryant in the 4th instead of Saunders. Or maybe spent our first round pick on Benjamin (though at the time I thought he was going to be a Hill repeat and would have been pissed if we had done this.) The fact of the matter is, hindsight is 20:20.
Totally agree. That was a fireable offense by itself if you ask me. You could have thrown a dart through the first three rounds and come up with a massive upgrade. How goddamn terrible do you have to be to pick the one guy who's so bad that you can't even justify a roster spot for him by October? And another thing that really bothers me about that whole ordeal is that Idzik wasn't even trying to add to what we have with that move, he was trying to replace Kerley on the cheap. Last time it was that blatant we traded Leon Washington and Tanny tried to tell us that Joe McNotworthadamn was just as good. This douchebag is sitting in the closet counting the pennies in his piggy bank while the fucking house is burning down.
So far the most drastic thing he's done is trade for Percy Harvin. He gave up very little plus no guaranteed money. Which means they can renegotiate. So far excluding last Monday's game it looks like a smart deal. So it doesn't look like the pressure will force him into doing something that stupid. I wouldn't mind Hoyer though if they decide to go with Johnny. I'd give them a 3rd rounder for him.
I get your point, and your probably right with how it played out. I agree that the McDougle pick wasn't an inept decision at all. He needed to address that position going into the draft. But I question what lead up to that a little bit. If Idzik had addressed the CB position via FA we could have been set up better to go offensive heavy in the early rounds. JMO. And i'm not talking about signing one of the big 3 FA corners who were on the market last off season either. Going into the season with a Milliner, who had a strong finish but a poor overall rookie season, an injury prone journeyman, and a rookie 3rd rounder at CB was not a good idea. It had all the makings for disaster. If they had done something like simply resign Cromartie at a reduced rate, and or signed another vet. They could have drafted a WR in the third. Or Scrap the Pryor pick altogether and try and get one of the top receivers that were coming out. To be fair though we don't know what phone calls Idzik did and didnt make so I can't kill him for that. But I can get on him for passing on guys like Benjamin, Cooks, Adams, Matthews, Lee, etc. These guys can play. But like you said, hindsight is 20:20 so i'm not going to kill him for going with Pryor. It's just frustrating. And it's not like people are sitting back now and saying "wow, this could be a really great receiver draft class". It was well known going in that this was a deep draft for this position. That's what bothers me.
Idzik's two big trades have been good bordering on brilliant to date. He took cheap calculated risks on talented players with a significant injury history. Chris Ivory has been a great pickup for a 4th round pick and the jury is still out on Harvin but it's hard to see how the Jets lose a lot when the potential loss is a 4th round pick and the upside is Percy Harvin playing like Percy Harvin. The draft has been very iffy with too many project picks but that's a normal Jet phenomenon at this point. They need to find a way to get past that and invent a new method of evaluating college talent. The Jets have also gotten unlucky with DB's the last two years in the draft and a little upswing there would make a huge difference. If Dee Milliner is actually a starting NFL CB the Jets defensive backfield isn't the problem that it is now. If Dexter McDougle is an NFL player the depth is ok also.
My point on Harvin is that it came 1.5 years into his tenure. If Idzik feels like he's in the hot seat after this season (assuming Woody keeps him), he could make some more drastic gambles (I.e. Give up a lot for RGIII or another risky Qb) to try to prove himself to Woody given he's effectively turned over the roster and our record / talent base has fallen to among the worst in the league. I would love to get Hoyer too. He's an unrestricted free agent so we wouldn't have to give up a pick for him. I know he didn't have a great game today, but he's a good game manager and we can have a mediocre offense around him while we groom someone else.
Look, he made the deal for Harvin and acted fast when he was available. The Seahawks made that decision during the season. And he did sign the most expensive FA Wr in Decker. Things just haven't worked out. And his presser gave nobody any confidence in him. In his job he has to be able to deal with the NY press including the barracudas. I could see them firing him because of that alone. But so far I don't see any indication that he is going to cave in to the idiots and front runners.
