I'm guessing that you're being facetious about Duncan, but yeah. I will take a boring first ballot hall of fame multiple championship anchor, who is also the model of professionalism and is one of the most genuine human beings in the history of pro sports, over a rich kid party boy who will never amount to anything in the NFL and only gets headlines from shit that happens after 2am in a club. Boring, right?
Whoa whoa whoa who said he wants privacy? He STRIVES on the public life. He's not quiting football, it's what makes him who he is. He's "Johnny Football". But at the same time, professional athletes aren't like the rest of us. Was he out late? Yeah but I'd bet there were a ton of his teammates doing the very same thing. But he gets accosted by a drunk (now revealed criminal) IN HIS OWN HOTEL trying to get into his elevator to go to his room and that's on Manziel? It's like that old Clintion line, what's the use of being president if you can't get blowjobs in the Oval Office? So he's never allowed to go out in public? Can't even get on the elevator to his own room? If the same thing had happened at 10 pm it would have been okay? From all the stories this didn't occur in a nightclub with dueling posses going at it. I'm sorry but there are a lot of things to criticize Manziel about but this isn't one of them. That drunken Russian criminal lowlife fuck should have gotten him ass kicked. _
Yes I was being facetious but the bolded is funny. How are you so sure he'll never amount to anything in the NFL? Sounds like you're projecting. And the reports were NOT that he was in a club at 2 am but rather in his OWN hotel trying to take the elevator to HIS room. I take it you think it's merited that be accosted by a drunken criminal lowlife thug in his own hotel because he's a spoiled rich kid and was out too late for your's or Duncan's tastes. _
I'm not projecting, Manziel has never looked like an NFL QB to me, and so far he doesn't look that way to the team that drafted him in the first round, either. Hoyer isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. It's not just one circumstance and you know it. It's the sum. The guy isn't just having honest fun, he's been a party boy since his high school days and if you want projecting, I bet it gets twice as bad once he actually starts playing football and not pretending to care about the game he's not in.
I get the sum but every time he gets accosted in public through no fault of his, it's going to be ANOTHER nail in his coffin. I'm not so sure he should be taking grief for this one. He's an adult, wealthy, celebrity, out late after a dinner. Happens to 1000s of athletes every day. But because he's "Johnny Football" that's not allowed. He should be in a private bubble, tucked inside bed by 10:00 pm. Because that's what people that hate the dude want. Again, this wasn't a club, a bar, a party, a wild scene. It was his own hotel while going up to his room. If it happened at 11 pm would that have been ok? 10 pm? If the guy accosted him at 3:00 in the afternoon, would this again be an example of him being a party animal? Is it the lateness or just the mere fact that he draws attention by virtue of who he is? _
because he is a 22 year old millionaire. i managed to not sleep most nights when i was 22 and had far less resources than he does.
But...but...but he should be studying his playbook 24/7 and be in bed by 10 pm. You think Manning is out at 2:36 am? Or Brady? 100s of NFL football players stay out past 2 every nite, but no, not Johnny Football. He hasn't proven anything! _
You say "every time he gets accosted in public" like the guy is constantly harassed. Some drunk dude made a fool out of himself and got blasted in the face by one of Johnny's homeboys. That's fine, I guess. Nothing wrong with protecting the dude that buys your clothes and drinks and all that other stuff. But it really is the sum that matters. Do I expect a guy that really wants to win the starting job to be working his ass off to win the starting job? Yeah, I do. He's a kid that has been handed everything on a platter his whole life and it shows. Does that make me a hater? Maybe it does, but I've gotten where I am by outworking Texas oil heirs for the past 15 years, so maybe I have a reason not to like douches like that. You tell me that I'm projecting his failure. The guy had a package in the Browns offense that was summarily removed 8 weeks ago, must be because Hoyer is playing at an elite level, right? He's waiting to be traded to some sucker team that will put up with his bullshit for a couple of years until they realize they have a conflict of interest on their hands. A rich boy that doesn't really need the NFL aside from using it to maintain celebrity status.
How do you know how he's not working his ass off? Because he was trying to get to his apartment late at night after dinner with his Mom? Don't tell me you're one of THOSE guys. 24/7 eat breath sleep football and no outside activity until the earlier of year 10 or 3 Pro Bowls? I'm not even sure how that's relevant. People can hate him for any reason they want to. You needn't have worked the oilfields to do so. My GF hates him and now I feel you've cheapened her hate. I'm going to tell her she's not worthy to hate him So where are you getting THAT from? You really think he doesn't need or want to be an NFL player? Ha? _
Stokes, here's a thing if you were out at 230 am with our "posse" you were out doing something. And you're right, NFL players aren't like you and me, which is exactly what I said, it means you have to think before you do shit. The Browns will be talking to him about having been out after midnight on a Saturday morning on game weekend. He won't be benched (well technically you Can't bench a bench player), he won't suspended (nor should he be), he might get a small fine (he can afford it), but I guarantee they'll be talking very strongly about the need to avoid potentially bad situations and a big step of that is not having been out after midnight on a weekend. The point will be made that part of the territory he signed up for is to behave in a proper responsible way.... Now if he was signing his own paycheck it would be a different thing he could do anything he wanted whenever he wanted, but every week he gets a check signed by the Browns, he is answerable to the Browns, and if an event like the one that happened Saturday ever spirals out of control he'll be fully accountable to the NFL as well. I think the Browns will use this as a teaching event and that is all, as it should be in this circumstance, but he does need to make up his mind if he want's to be a NFL football player or if he wants to be this generations "Boz".
If I was out with some friends in the lobby of my apartment at 2:30 am I would not expect to be accosted by a drunken lowlife Russian criminal thug. He was IN HIS OWN BUILDING waiting to get on the elevator to tuck himself in at night. Whatever clubbing and raging and drug taking and raping and partying and fisticuffs and illegal gambling and vandalism and drunk driving and manslaughter and burglary he had perpetrated up until that point had caused nary a stir. But getting on the elevator to his own aaprtment, in his own building? THAT was the thing causing you to dump on him? I get that some folk hate the guy. Get on him when he actually does something wrong. Being out late and waiting to get on an elevator in your own building is nothing to be ashamed of. What if his prayer group had gotten into a discussion of how to curb domestic violence and they were developing an action plan and the prayer meeting ran over causing him to be getting home at 2:30 am? Would that have been ok? I know, maybe he should have just stayed in. Buried his nose in the playbook. A 22 year old millionaire rock star. _
having dinner with his mom at 2:30 AM. Yeah right. This isn't Texas A&M, Johnny. No one is going to believe that bullshit
Aww, am I hurting your idol? You've now gone in to the arena of hyperbole and just outright being ridiculous. Did I say he should be cut? Benched? Suspended? No. But you're right he's not like you hanging out in the lobby at 230 in the morning ...that goes back to part of he 'deal with the devil' that goes along with all the rewards and perks of being a celebrity. Being in the lobby with your posse does tend to indicate that you had been out, and that's part of the celebrity deal when you're on salary to a boss, and make no mistake the Browns are his boss. This is extremely minor situation, but the Browns are and should be using it as a teaching moment that he's not like you and me and he does need to be careful about how he exposes himself to risks. If wanting the kid to be aware of the risks he's taking with his livelihood and career is dumping on him then so be it.
I'd eat her for dinner at 2:30 a.m. This has nothing to do with Johnny Football. Anyway, this is A.J. McCarron's mom (do-over funbags in the red).
He's not my idol no. He's a 22 year old kid. Living a life that no one here can understand. Staying out late and through NO FAULT OF HIS OWN he was in his own apartment building. Going up the elevator. If he was clubbing and his posse got into a brawl with another posse because someone was screwing with someone's coke stash or was banging someone's GF, then I'd agree with you. That's not this. Not this time. _
