To add to your post, on the second kick, Brien had a very good shot to win it. But the play calling moved him back a couple of yards and to the wrong hash mark.
I've heard that Bradway Wilson - hype BS, crock for two years now. Even if it's true, which I doubt, tell me how the head of player personnel, gets overseen on a pick like that. He has been around too long to avoid the axe.
Some folks in the organization referred to Bradway as Russell bradway or Russ when they had their weekly meetings that spring before the draft. That's a fact...... Bradway was clearly a subpar GM that kind of defaulted into the position, similar to Edwards, at a time when the pool was quite shallow in 2000/2001. I will say that these drafts are such a crapshoot especially when u get out into the middle rounds but u can strategize and follow the probabilities. with the rookie pay scales, IMO, it makes sense to trade up and get ur guys, sacrificing a pick or 2 in the process.
Wouldn't the bold be even more the reason to stockpile your roster with draft picks in hopes that a higher percentage of them workout since you're paying them all less? That's not a pro Idzik question, but it's not as if you can trade a 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 7th to move up 20 spots in the first round.
I am fully aware that Heinz Field was a graveyard of kickers and on 3rd and short I too would've like to have seen a play action dump pass to the TE over the middle. But that would be Monday morning quarterbacking--it is what it is. That said, I will give you the 47 yarder. That kick (just like Scott Norwood's vs. the Jints) was anything but a gimme and was also on a chopped up field. However, 43 yards or more to the point AT LEAST ONE OUT OF TWO KICKS (50%) you have to make if you're an NFL-caliber kicker. And the thing was, Brien not only missed the 2nd one, he bricked it, pulling it waaay too far to the left. That's a gag in my book and I'm pretty sure that Doug Brien himself would bet his wallet on making it again had he had the chance. You're a pro: ya gotta make that 2nd one. The Steelers also seemed to think along those lines as well (ESPN): "I've never seen anything like it," Steelers linebacker Larry Foote said. "I'm not going to say it was a miracle, because that's crippled people getting up and walking, the blind seeing. But that's the closest thing to it I've ever seen." Steelers center Jeff Hartings felt much the same way, saying, "God gave us another chance But back on-topic: my point was the overreaction on the part of the Jets by drafting a kicker in the 2nd round following that heartbreaker.
God didn't give them another chance, Herm did by panicking and having Chad take a knee and pushing the offense back. Herm's greatest skill was playing not to lose, no matter what he said in that stupid, embarrassing soundbyte.
Funnily enough Wilson has been having problems of late, but to your point I do not think the outcry was necessarily for a veteran to backup Sanchez, because Brunell was clearly that. I am not saying I agree with the OP's point. But if in fact Bradway had recommended drafting Wilson, that would not have been a case of hindsight.
U would think that is a sound approach but in today's modern draft and the research and technology that goes into it.......teams should be able to hit on a better percentage of the more talented, higher round picks.... With salaries being less restraining, it may make a bit more sense to sacrifice a pick or 2 in the later rounds to move higher in rounds 1, 2, even 3. It's such a fine line but looking at the jets late round picks in previous years, I would rather them package most of them to maneuver higher in an earlier round.
It's not an issue of hindsight on Bradway's part it is hindsight from the fans part now claiming we should have drafted him based on that recommendation when if we had actually done so the fans would have whined that it was just coddling Sanchez by drafting a rookie as his backup who wasn't a real threat to him and wouldn't push him.
Looking back on my post, I definitely let my emotions overcome my logic with that post. If I can rephrase it in a more rational manner ...... I believe it's a big mistake for a GM to give up 1st rounder in Supplemental Draft unless they're reaching for a QB. And as we all know, Jets were sitting there in the next draft with no 1st rounder as Favre slid into top of 2nd round. For me, that's a draft blunder.
I find it interesting that whatever goof that is stating Bradway wanted Wilson is not claiming that he wanted other great draft picks. If that's Terry's claim to fame, you have to wonder about the dozens of misses his scouting program has provided. Fucking pathetic.
How long has Bradway been with the Jets? I started following the Jets a long time ago but I forget when he arrived on the scene.
Sorry, i was being sarcastic. Bradway wasn't our GM when we drafted Rob Moore. That was Leigh Steinberg. Bradway didn't come aboard until 2001.
Then you'd be just as stupid as the Jets have been. The Jets got to those championship games in spite of Sanchez, NOT because of him, and I hasten to add that they didn't win those games, did they? At a minimum, the Jets needed a young quality backup, and there was plenty of evidence to suggest that the Jets needed a better starting QB than Sanchez.
And it was also a bad call as it should have been a forward pass, I will never be convinced his arm was not moving forward
No, they did not need a young quality back up worth a second or third round pick when we had what we thought was a viable starter and needed to add to the team to get us over the championship game hump. It is completely fucking stupid now to claim we needed to be drafting a back up QB at that spot. That makes you the stupid one for claiming such. Sanchez was one of the key reasons we made those games not a hinderance. It was completely reasonable to expect him to continue to improve and be consistent at his best play so drafting another QB in the 2nd round, which is what this topic is about, it outright asinine.
I couldn't disagree more now and at the time. This draft was after the 2011 late season collapse. Sanchez was underwealming mostly outside of a few moments in 2010 and was trending down HARD after 2011. He also had never seen real competition and his grandfather "backup" Brunell was retiring so they needed another QB anyway.. That draft was the best and most opportune moment to acquire a backup that could push Sanchez. Wilson was a mature, seasoned QB that was unique and would've been a great pick. However they could've taken Nick Foles there too which would've been a good decision. It's thinking like yours that causes organizations to be mired in mediocrity without good QBs. Not to pick on you, because it's common practice for dumb reason but it's so stupid. A team can ALWAYS use at the very least a "young quality backup QB" - regardless of who is running the ship anyway. But especially when there are serious doubts about the starter- as was the case in the 2012 offseason with Sanchez. That was the very best time to draft a mid-early round QB and they botched that offseason up historically bad.
the entire team was trending badly at the end of 2011, not just Sanchez. getting Sanchez a receiver was a better option in the 2nd round to aid in his development than drafting a QB to push him as a backup, specifically Wilson who nobody had on their radar. we just drafted the wrong receiver. beyond that, surely there is some tangible proof that established starters are pushed and motivated by 2nd and 3rd round QB picks to validate the claim that was a meaningful philosophy to pursue. both Wilson and Foles would have been good decisions in hindsight; this is only a meaningful discussion if you are looking at it from the perspective at that time with foresight. why not claim we should have drafted Brock Osweiler who was available in the 2nd round and drafted before either one of them? because there is no hindsight to validate that claim.
Sure I chose Foles and Wilson because they have proven to be good but Osweiler would've been a good pick as well and I would not have been upset about taking a chance on the kid.... Also Foles and Wilson went in the third round not the 2nd. Plenty of time to take a WR in the 1st or 2nd round and botch that pick like they did with Hill... That team's biggest needs in the 2012 offseason were WR and QB. They fucked up both situations.
