Sanchez Kicking Ass In Philly

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  1. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    Nacho isn't, and never will be, a good QB in the NFL. He is a puss, plain and simple. He can't lead. He doesn't like any sort of contact, and it doesn't take a ton of pressure to make him look like the player he was in NY so many different games. He isn't athletic, he doesn't have a strong arm, and couldn't throw a pass into a bed sheet hanging on a clothes line. Sorry Philly, pray that your starting QB comes back before its too late.
     
  2. pclfan

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    You can't crucify a guy whose been out a year with a serious injury and hadn't started a game since Dec. of 2012. And whose with a new team. Mark's played in 3 games and has 4 picks including a pick 6. Plus other turnovers. I don't think that Chip will tolerate this for very long. He isn't Rex Ryan!
     
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    The issue for me was never how GOOD (or bad) Mark Sanchez was.

    The issue for me was how BAD and MEDIOCRE virturally all the other QB's are.


    You guys SEEN the so-called 'franchise' QB's outside of The Big 4 (Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees -- and I'm not sure Drew is still in this mix)? They are UP and DOWN virtually every week. No consistency whatsoever -- especially on the road against any but the dregs of the NFL.

    You guys trust Andy Dalton in a playoff game more than Sanchez ?

    How about Cam Newton, #1 overall pick ?

    Matt Ryan ?

    How's Blake Bortles looking for a rookie ? Closer to Sanchez 2009 or Luck 2012 ?

    How's EJ Manuel look holding a clip board in Year #2 ?

    RG III ? RG2 ? RG1 ?

    Nick foles came back to Earth this year. So did Josh McGown. Ditto Kirk Cousins, who Washington 'insiders' swear was better for Gruden's offense than RG3/2/1.

    Eli looks more like Eli 2004 than Eli SB MVP.

    My like for Sanchez was a belief he could handle New York...handle playoff pressure....and be a better-than-average QB if given a decent OC and decent weapons. Top 12-15 QB was all I wanted. I thought he could be that. Maybe I was wrong.

    But outside of The Big 4 and a few others, I'm not sure who else is better......and could succeed in NY....and in the playoffs.

    Do you ???
     
  4. BeastBeach

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    I think you are being harsh. I don't think any QB likes contact, much less the type Sanchez got early on. After he got blasted the first time you could see him wincing as he tried to work a kink out of his neck or something. If he got a stinger like he has had before, believe it or not, that affects throws. Pressure like he got today takes a toll and forces any QB to rush throws/abandon their mechanics . Foles was getting crushed back there too, thus him getting hurt. He is athletic enough too, I don't know where you are getting that he isn't. Sure he isn't Kaepernick or RG3, but he is a veryh mobile guy.

    There is plenty to shit on Sanchez for without making stuff up.
     
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  5. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not making anything up at all.
    I remember his first big hit of his career. He ran for a TD, his first career rushing TD, got jacked at the goal line, and never, has ever, ran with intent like that again.
    He is a puss, how can you say other wise? He doesn't stand in the pocket, in the face of pressure, and concentrate on reads. He hunkers, stops reading, does stupid shit. He is a pro QB that gets paid for all those hits. But what does he do? He throws it to the other team to keep from being hit. Why else all the bad decisions?
    He isn't athletic! He shows no sense of being athletic in his runs, throws, or short moves in or out of the pocket.
    His arm isn't in the upper half of the QB's in the league, that's for sure and damn obvious. So what's left? Where is the athletic prowess?
    I'm wasn't being harsh, it just is, what it is. Mark is everything I said. If anything, I left negatives out which could have been mentioned.
     
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    Alright haha. I see it a little differently, and I'm a hater
     
  7. irishwhip03

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    But he can be praised for an average game last week?

    Doesnt seem like a double standard or anything.
     
  8. tbruner12

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    I'm a hater alright, but not players in particular. It's the play of players that I hate. First impressions mean a lot, but not always.
    When Nacho came here, I hoped he was the answer. He was a rookie and I wasn't like a fanboy, you know the type.
    I know the NFL of today is the roughest game on the planet when to opposing players collide, or when one blindsides the other. Plenty of reasons to not want contact. But...... Collision plays on QBs are not like other players. It's not like he is getting the snot knocked out of him on every play, 80% of the plays he doesn't get smacked at all. Nacho is fearful of being tackled..... Why else did the "Butt fumble" happen? You can see the replay, he had his eyes closed before he ran up Moores ass.
    Watch old Joe Namath games, he on the other hand got his ass jacked up quite a bit.
     
  9. pclfan

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    He had a very good game last week vs Carolina. He was mediocre today. Like he was with us. I don't think he can be successful in Chip's system. That's my opinion. And I don't think the Eagles will give him enough rope to hang them like Rex did to us. A game or two at tops. Picks and pick 6s and he's out.
     
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    Tell me again why your so blatantly obsessed with defending said Jet? Stokes, you're so far out of bounds it's not even funny, it's pathetic.
    I'm not even going to talk about today's game, the results say it all.
     
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    I agree with that. But who are they going to turn to? Barkley? That didnt look too good last season when he played.

    I think he'll be able to manage the storm a little bit next week against the Titans but after that it gets rough.

    We all remember what happened last time Sanchez played on Thanksgiving.
     
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    Mark used to be able to take those hits in the pocket and deliver throws, but ever since 2011 - that hasn't been the case. That first big hit, completely took Mark out of his game. Defenses will see this going forward and now they know how easily Mark can be rattled.
     
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    It's a good question. Mark beat out Barkley who had a lot more starts in college than Mark had and a good career. I thought Mark had decent protection today. That's the key factor. Unless Chip changes the O to a ground and pound which Mark can handle. But he had that deer in the headlights look again today like he did so often with us. When things didn't go right.
     
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    today reminded me why I'm happy sanchez ass is gone
     
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  15. 1968jetsfan

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    the Games winnable, But like Greenbay and unlike the Panthers and the Texans they're not a bottom ranked pass defense...in fact the Panthers rank in the top half of the league in most defensive categories, including sacks and interceptions.. The Eagles should win the game as they're the better team, but it will be a test for Sanchez in the passing game.
     
  16. 1968jetsfan

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    You might want to re-think that. In the years with the Jets Vinny had 3 seasons where he attempted at least 400 passes, he had 7 picks on season and combined for 39 over the other two.

    Mechanics are the most teachable things, especially for QB's just coming in to the league, it's all muscle memory and a willingness to work on it. You can reprogram muscle memory, you just have to work at it.
     
  17. Hobbes3259

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    Testaverde was a bad example, and a good one....They didn't so much refine his mechanics, they changed what he was asked to do....

    His early career he had been asked to throw the ball outside the numbers and down the field.

    Parcells and Weiss changed that, and in doing so, made his arm strength work in the best possible way.

    Sadly youa re still seeing examples of what Weis wrought in New England.

    Sanchez, under Schotty like early Vinny, Sanchez under Chip, like later Vinny.

    Vinny Vidi Vici.
     
  18. TNJet

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    True, and honestly Sanchez never appeared to take studying and working on his craft serious. Goofing off was his forte. Glad he is gone.
     
  19. Hobbes3259

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    Hardly dude.


    First hand account has him as being meticulous in terms of prepping the game plan....
     
  20. nyjunc

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    I know people are probably trying to blame him but he was way down the list of reasons they got crushed. he played ok pre garbage time, had some key drops, a couple of no calls on illegal hits, the D was brutal, STs stunk. it was a team effort.
     
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