I'm talking 2012 not 2014. And who gave us our best chance to win. You are saying Mark even after a complete breakdown. Not logical bro. Because you know the results. As for being a hater. You hate Tim so much you'd rather lose than let him play.
Dude, you have been leg humping Tebow for who knows how long. The guy is sitting at a broadcast desk, with absolutely zero QB job offers. When are you going to realize that he's just not a quarterback?
To make a blanket statement that the guy SUCKS just because you hate him is to me idiotic and unfair. I'm not sure if Tebow's career is over. But him not playing isn't just based on his on the field performance. Because if it was he'd be playing somewhere. And all I'm saying is that in 2012 he should have gotten a chance to play. Sparano only let him throw eight passes all season. He ran one or two series total. The individual plays he was put in for were dumb play calls when the opponent knew he was going to be running the ball. Who knows in 2012: maybe like he did in Denver he could have given the team a shot at winning. They had nothing to lose.
Glad ESPN agrees ( a mainstream publication I might add) with me, and not your nonsensical arguments on how it takes three years. You should be be put in the corner with a dunce cap.
Definitely a Tebot. You think that I believe he sucks "because I hate him". What fucking planet do you watch football from? He's not a QB. I've watched most of his games and he has barely displayed the capacity to even be a backup. Then you add the fanatical horseshit of ESPN overcoverage and mouth-frothing disciple man-fans... It's not worth it for any team to bother. He's just not worth it.
The irony about this dinosaur argument is that the guy who Tebow fans wanted Tebow to replace (MS) is still in the NFL playing for the Eagle, even after shoulder surgery. Tim is never going to get a call from an NFL team to play qb, ever.
So Tebow knew how to play quarterback 2 years ago and at 26 lost that ability completely? I and the apparently the entire NFL hates Tebow. You should be upset at the Raiders who are willing to go 0-16 then offer him a roster spot.
This imo is the heart of the matter involving Idzik. I also felt the Jets were not all that far off as they entered the off season this year. Opinions may differ, but it really should be beyond debate that the holes in the team at such point were not too many to address, and could have been addressed. But they were not adequately addressed, and arguably were addressed in a manner that made the team worse. I certainly think they were. I will grant that there was an interest in seeing what Smith could do in his second season. But that interest should not have overridden the whole season. Once Vick was signed, a real competition should have taken place. And if such a real competition occurred, which it is now clear there was not, then they should have let the chips fall where they would. Your description of how the SS v. FS situation shook out is also accurate, but of course at the time Ryan was more or less saying Pryor would work out in his D. How do we assess the fact that he is not working out so well? Should that have been known at the time? How realistic was it to expect Pryor would fit? We have talked here about the Cb and Wr positions at great length. Suffice to say at this point the Jets entered the season undermanned at those positions while well under the cap, and having made moves that were inadequate. Yes, the Jets entered last off season not that far off. But the moves made and not made had the effect of killing the season. It didn't have to be that way.
Basically your boy Mark is a bust. The Jets had to pay him money not to play for them. And we'll see how he does with Philly. Right now Eagles fans love him and are buying him cheese steaks. Just wait until after a patented Sanchize melt down. When things don't go perfectly right for him. And you never answered my question. In 2012 who should have played after Mark collapsed. You say Mark even now that you know he lost games. And won't even give Tim a chance. Even though there's no way he could have been worse than Sanchez. So you're ok with losing. That's for sure.
I have to wonder were we really that close? alright, we sign DRC. We sign james Jones, and draft Brandin Cooks in the first. Vick wins the starting job. does that team make it to the postseason?
Well, entering the post season is a difficult metric right now given the AFC and how many teams, right now, have winning records. But with six games remaining, and having beaten a surging Pitt team, if the Jets were 5-5 instead of 2-8 - not an unreasonable possibility if all those things occurred - we would be talking the chances of making the playoffs rather than doing post mortems on an awful off season and recognizing the playoffs this year were not going to happen as far back as the Chargers game.
What you fail to admit is that Tebow was worse than Mark, and that's why he did not see the field even when MS was collapsing. The lesser of 2 evils is still bad, it just speaks volume of how bad Tebow is. I don't want to hijack the thread, we can post on a Tebow and MS thread.
This is actually comical considering not long ago, you insulted my knowledge saying, "Did ESPN tell you that?" when I said it takes 2-3 years. I don't watch ESPN anymore because they're the most reactionary sportscast on TV. They judge drafts, as I said, the minute they're over. It does take time to judge a draft. No one can know whether a player is going to pan out or not at this point. By your logic, Muhammad Wilkerson is a bust because it took him more than 10 games to actually turn into a player. To judge a draft now is to say those players are never going to develop. The only thing you can say about this draft is that we cut a lot of our picks, which in due time will turn out to hurt this year's draft grade, but again, can't tell right now. You should be put in a dumpster with a fucktard cap because you literally contribute nothing to this board. You lack the knowledge to post here. Go to ESPN's message boards (a mainstream message board I might add) and share your lack of knowledge with other people who mostly don't know what they're talking about or watching.
Look we know how bad Mark was that year. You're assuming Tim would have been worse. Just saying Tebow sucks and he's horrible doesn't prove a damn thing. He never got a chance on the field with the Jets to prove it. Mark did. We know he was horrible.
I feel like year 2 is probably the best time to see how a players career is going to go, the rookie year is usually always shit they got so much on their plate from combine straight to TC and playbook learning most of the rookie year is spent learning their job. By year two though they have rest after the season so you should be able to see the player they're gonna be, my opinion is 2 years is enough to see what the players will be like career wise.
Theres some caveats, but to an extent I agree. keeping in mind a player can absolutely get better AFTER more than 2 years its probably best to move on and try again with somebody else than bank on that possibility at that point. let anything else that player produces be gravy, a pleasant surprise. its why I'm fine with giving smith his two years, one is simply not enough. forgetting fairness for a second, it might not be the proper time to get a true picture of who player really is.
Yeah I didn't want to ramble in my post but yes there are definitely exceptions, I was pointing more towards rooks that actually get playing time.
This is fair Big, I also think it contributes to why some fans are so mad, many fans realized the team was not perfect, but that it still had a chance to do well this year, even with the change in philosophy...building through the draft...etc. I don't think the lack of CB was the biggest problem because the team was competitive in every game but SD. My issue is the QB competition or the lack of. Many posters realized that Geno was not the answer since game one and someone in the organization force fed Geno to the fans while having a better option and not going to it sooner. The question is, who is responsible for such a disastrous decision? I'm not saying the jets ar playoff bound with Vick as a starter, but we can all agree that they are not 2-8.
You can't really give the CB position a pass because we were "competitive" in every game, then the next sentence say Geno was the problem. Geno kept the team just as competitive in those same games. But I agree, with Vick we are much better off this season. I don't know how many, if any more wins the change would have made, the teams we lost to, tend to find ways to win.
Bellows, I'm not giving the CB a pass, my opinion is that it's not the reason why the jets are 2-8, as some posters may want us to believe and therefore Idzik has to go. It's the defenses job to keep the games close, but it's the offenses job to win the game primarily the QB. The jets have a horrible RZ scoring percentage because Geno could not finish for one reason or another. I'm sure that most fans would agree that our RZ td scoring percentage would have been higher if Vick was our starter. But it goes back to my original point, who made the decision to put on this false qb competition? The other side to this equation is, did the coaching staff not see this? Because if the CS could not make this evaluation, then it's even more reason to fire rex and company, as it shows their incompetence in evaluating players.
