You've become very boring, even more so than your Sanchez diatribes and shitting on ex-Jets. Please tell me again how awful he was in 2009 and 2010, I can't find your last spread sheet. And please analyze for us all what 2009 had to do with the last 2 weeks, different team, different shoulder, different offense, different maturity, different team mentality. Go ahead, I'm sure you got some canned BS. _
I think it works both ways; good QBs make the players around them better yet they are still reliant on the players around them to make them better. Trent Dilfer on MNF said the QB position is probably the most "dependent" position in all of sports. I agree with him. With some rare exceptions, pretty much all are reliant on their center to snap them the ball, o-line to block for them, RBs to pick up a free blitzer, WRs to create separation and catch the ball, OCs to make the right play calls…etc. When Tom Brady is under constant pressure, I usually see him pouting not making the players around him better. With regards to system, I'm of the belief that all QBs are system QBs to some degree. Some QBs are talented enough to succeed in a multitude of schemes, but the next QB to be able to play in any system will be the first. Once you make the decision to spend a high draft pick and/or top dollar on a QB, you have to be prepared to what you need to yield the most out of your investment. To use an extreme analogy, no one would pay Peyton Manning $20 million a year to run the wishbone. Geno as currently constituted will struggle in ANY NFL offense because most of his deficiencies are physical in nature. Tebow is an extreme example of the same thing. If you have bad footwork, inconsistent mechanics and poor anticipation you better have elite arm talent or else you will be making a lot of late and bad throws. In this league a late throw is a TO even if it's the right read. Geno has already surpassed by a large margin the the number starts a 2nd round pick of equal or lesser talent has ever been allotted. Unless he cleans up his fundamentals, he probably won't get another opportunity. Pocket awareness and understanding situational football aside, he's ahead of Sanchez at making the right reads and going through progressions at the same time in their careers. They are like opposites in that way; I'm thinking it has to do with the number of collegiate starts they both had. Sanchez had the fundamentals down, but struggled with making the right reads and going through the proper progressions in Schitty's then Sparano's offense. A good offensive coach will take a chance on a guy with solid fundamentals hoping to correct the struggles with reading coverages but they usually won't take a chance the other way around.
I am not trying to elevate Mark by using Peyton, wjere did I do that? I get you have to make things up when you have nothing. Just keep looking at your meaningless rankings, that should help you.
Don't forget arm strength at 80% !!! Remember all those throws even defenders of Mark's (like me) said we didn't know what he was thinking ? Well, if you had 20% off your velocity, your aim would be off, too, throwing to moving targets. Mark clearly improved his first 3 years...in Year 3, we were #3 in RZ Offense, even though we got rid of 3 of his 4 WRs from the previous year. 2012 ? No talent + bum shoulder + Tony Sparano = FAIL. At least Schotty is a legit OC. Sparano is filling in as Oakland HC. He will not get that job. He will never got another HC or OC job. He will get OL Coaching jobs, because that is what his stock in trade is. He NEVER should have been OC and I do blame Rex and Tannenbaum for that brain-freeze (and bringing in Tebow) as PANIC moves that never made sense. This team tends to make alot of panic moves: DeWayne Robertson, Favre, Tebow, firing Schotty, dumping Sanchez.
That's what my eyes tell me. I'm one of the biggest Geno critics/Sanchez "fanboi" on this board but I got to tell it like it is.. You rarely see Geno throwing into triple coverage like Mark. His INTs are pretty much always a result of a late and/or poor throw stemming from his really poor fundamentals and lack of anticipation. I can see how David Lee would take it personally as Geno has not shown an inch of progress in those areas. Note despite believing Geno is ahead of Sanchez at reading defenses at the same point of their careers, I'd take Sanchez over Geno any day of the week (twice on Sundays). With more reps, better coaching and scheme fit, QBs can get better at reading coverage and going through their progressions. Obviously, they all do so at their own pace. However, guys get accustomed to certain wind ups, releases, stances, drop backs, throwing off their back foot, setting their feet or not,…etc; it's really hard to change any of that stuff since by the time they get to the pros it's second nature . That why I find it funny when I read stuff like Tebow working with QB gurus to improve his throwing mechanics, Rivers needing to work on throwing the ball over the top more if he plans to be successful in the NFL, Cutler stop to stop throwing off his back foot or like the Grantland article I posted the other day about Kevin Hogan needing to shorten his elongated wind-up...and on and on. Those changes needed to happen during their first couple years in college at the latest.
I respect your POV, though I don't agree with it. I just think that virtually ANY QB in the NFL is going to react quicker in Year 6 than in Years 1 or 2. It happened with Phil Simms in Year 6, Alex Smith in Year 7, and Peyton Manning....in Year 2. OK, Manning was the exception. I think Sanchez knows more of the players AND the schemes now than he did 3-4 years from now. In another 2-3 years, he'll be that much better. I think he can have 1 or 2 years of a QB Rating of 90 or higher. I could see him having his next 5-7 years at a QB Rating of 85 or a bit higher. I think you can win with that kind of QB play. I think waiting or hoping to draft a 'franchise' QB is Fools Gold. They come along once every 5 years -- or less -- and you need the #1 or #2 overall pick. I would have locked up Sanchez for another 5-6 years @ $10 MM per year or so, rather than pay Dalton or Flacco $$$ for mediocre performance (Flacco has 1 amazing month and has been very ordinary otherwise). Dalton is a joke. Fans have soured on Matt Ryan. Even Eli is back to his lower-bound, he was always going to be a higher-ceiling, lower-floor kind of QB (unlike his brother who has less variability). My point is: unless the Jets have a sure-fire plan to draft the next Brady/Brees/Manning/Rodgers, best to pay cheap $$$ for an average QB than Franchise $$$ for a QB who may turn out to be all over the map game-to-game, year-to-year, regular-season-to-playoffs.
Something along those lines. That's the point I've been making for two years. Simms,Young, a boatload of QB's took more than 5 years to develop into solid players, and Sanchez was greener than most coming out. He also could have been had for 2 years, at 10 mil total, rather than cutting him, but Idzik is a douchebag. After those two years, at backup prices, if he pans out great, and if he didn't you're only paying him back up money to be a backup. But in this case, clearly would have been a better alternative than anyone we have on the roster today.
You've made a lot of points over the past two years. Like Brady being a system guy, Sanchez being good at screen passes, and the buttfumble being Moore's fault. Nobody takes you seriously. I think the worst part of Sanchez coming back and playing well is that you and your drunken posts came back with him
Bottom Line on Sanchez: He played 4 years for us...we made the AFC CG in 2 of them. He 'won' the starting QB job in Year 5 and was hurt. We cut him before Year 6. I think we rushed it. The next few years will tell the story, because unless we finish lousy this year, draft Mariotta, and get a QB-guru coach (Harbaugh ?), we could be struggling through the rest of the decade looking for a GREAT QB while we had a serviceable QB in our own roost. If Sanchez bounces around like a Josh McGown or someone like that, then you can say we didn't lose anything. But if this guy sticks with Philly or signs a big contract after this year and has a good career for the next 5-6 years, then Woody Johnson is going to have some explaining to do.
When a guy fans root for gets released and has success else then there's outrage (like the Danny Woodhead phenomenon). Only then you'll get posts criticizing the organization for not realizing what we had right underneath our noses. However, when it's a guy fans spent the better part of his tenure here loathing, then you get the "it wouldn't have never happen here, it was still the right decision" posts. The truth of the matter is whenever that happens regardless if the player was beloved or hated, it's a fail by the organization. This is especially the case when the replacement is even worse than the guy you released. It reflects poor talent evaluation, player development, coaching, hidden agendas and/or lack of patience. If Sanchez reaches his potential outside of a Jets uniform, I don't think you can blame Woody though. Everyday I'm read posts disparaging Woody's football knowledge. How then can we expect him to see something in Sanchez that his GM, coaches, most fans and media pundits didn't?
Not exactly sure what you disagree with as I we are in agreement with regards to what I've quoted above.
Haha if I'm wrong I won't be a pussy and make excuses like you do. Or better yet, leave the board and then come back years later when he throws a bunch of picks. I'll admit it but if I was convinced of anything after 2 games that would make me you
See, that sums up your general lack of anything resembling coherence, outside of assholeiness. I was convinced long before his Eagles starts. You know that. I've been away from the board, mostly because I've relocated out west, hence I don't get much New York news, and lets face it, the Geno/Idzik Era has been the worst since Rich Kotite.... But of course, you've always been like a packet of instant ahole, just add hot water.
My contacts within the Jets organization -- admittedly, not as good as a few years ago because they left -- are telling me that non-football people led the decision (like the Revis trade). Woody and the business folks were INCENSED at Tannenbaum for the Sanchez extension, how do you think they felt about Mark getting the $$$ ??? They are still trying to sell PSL's, which have been a $50 MM debacle.
Gee, Sanchez made the extra effort to get acclimated to a new system.....first in, last out.....probing a guy who ran MM's stuff. Seems pretty dilligent to me. Well, I'm sure Geno's work habits are as good. I hope Gary "Spoiled" Myers read this piece.
