Not all teams build first with the QB. Some have done it by acquiring the best LT prospect, some have done it with the best pass-rusher available. The road to the SB doesn't always start with the QB position, plenty of teams have won SBs with non-franchise QBs. Check my avatar - if he's still here it won't get better. I really don't have much hope for the future right now, it's depressing. I almost feel like a darksider.
No matter what thread I go into, it's a conversation between JStokes and 101_GANG_GREEN_101 about Mariota and Cooper. And please Idzik, do not listen to anyone that thinks drafting Cooper in the top 5 for this team is a good idea. An absolutely ridiculous notion. That plan has worked out so well for so many teams.
Combined super bowls? Take a look at history and tell me how well it's panned out. And AJ Green was a better prospect than Cooper. If I'm drafting a WR that high, he better be an absolute monster. Cooper is very good. I don't see elite.
You really want to talk about first round picks at the QB position and the SBs won? It isn't pretty either so I fail to see your point. Draft like someone said is a crapshoot. Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert look at dem superbowls
i only dismiss them as valid, they do hold some comedic value. when geno's qbr was pointed out it was quickly dismissed, but now we should behold vicks as a sign of good qb play? he was 55% comp for 130 yards. sorry, not impressed now quick call me a "geno fan" or a homer and add a few "heh"'s in there
All consistently competitive winning teams do it with the QB first (other than the Brady anomaly). I'm not interested in trying to luck out and win one SB with a JAG, I want to finally have my Manning, Luck, Rogers, Ben, Favre, etc. I don't want Dalton or Dilfer or or some JAG that I've built the 86 Bears or Ravens defense around. _
I don't want Dalton or a Dilfer like player also, but I could live with a player like a Mark Sanchez (less TO prone) who wasn't an elite QB but could be part of a great TEAM (and was clutch). Manning still needed a running game (Dominic Rhodes the RB should have been the SB MVP in Peyton's lone win) and an opportunistic defense (Drew Brees's defense that yr generated a lot of turnovers). I want to win Superbowls also, and have that consistent success too man. The road has been tough for Rodgers and the Packers as of late in the playoffs - good teams have beaten them such as the 49ers and the Giants (better overall teams). We will never see a dominate defense win it all on it's own ever again IMO, that I absolutely agree with. However we get there, we just need the right pieces whomever that may be.
Perhaps, but I recall MM in an interview during camp saying it was 'imperative' that Geno be allowed to continue his progress. Right then I knew Vick had no shot at starting.
You can live with a guy we traded up to the top 5 overall pick to get as your QB. And that's your argument not to trade up to get a QB? Am I missing something here?
Nah, that particular discussion wasn't about draft position and trades, but building a team to win it all.
I was talking top 5 picks obviously, not just first round. And I sure as hell would like to go down that road. A couple of Mannings mean anything? That's a better track record than where you're headed here. I'll reluctantly give you TORRY HOLT in 1999, even though he was 6th overall. But let's then go all the way back to 92 with Super Bowl MVP Desmond Howard, who clearly wasn't even a very good NFL WR. The point is that the draft is a shot in the dark anyway. So why are you going to draft a position that is so much less important?
You draft the best player available simple as that. If a guy can completely change your team for the better then you get that guy. Observe the rules today who does it benefit the most? The QB and the TE/WR I could really care less who when what position or whatever bullshit you are trying to tell me. I'm drafting the best player available that can help make our team the best team in the league. I see the Jets becoming a much better team next by focusing on increasing the overall talent on the roster. There are QBs that are available throughout the draft outside of the first. That QB should sit and develop. Jets need a veteran QB for 2015.
There is no consistent winning without a FRANCHISE QB. It is the most important position in all of sports. Having an elite QB gives you a chance to win EVERY game. An elite WR, RB, LT, CB, OLB, TE does not make you a consistent winner. ONLY the QB does. I'm tired of aspiring to getting a decent QB to surround with superior talent. For once since 1969 I want a superior talent like Rogers or Manning or Luck or Brees or Brady or Ben to build around. Geezuz. _
Ha? 2014 and 2013 are already in the past. I have no need to justify my ideas, I just happen to be of the opinion that superior QBs win consistently over time. We haven't had a superior QB for over 45 years and that was just one year and we haven't won shit consistently in our entire history. I don't know but some day I'd like to see a Brady or Manning or Brees or Ben or Luck or Rogers in Jet green. But that's just me. I don't want to build a superior team around a mediocre QB. I'd like for once to start from the top. _
IMO Pryor was the BPA at the time we picked last year. At the time and now, I don't see how the team got better by adding yet another SS who's not adept in coverage to a roster full of SS who struggle covering the deep end of the field. What if next year the BPA is another SS of the same mold? You draft that him?
